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conscious even if it's the only one

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flip the switch for the other

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give it time to come back

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what if i'm not fit to be kind

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what if it doesn't even matter

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so

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reasoning without a fiction to forgive

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pleasure to passion i'm only out to give

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giving it's grief i can say

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it's phenomenal i'm sure it rocks my

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out from the shadows and prove what you

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do

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take it to court

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restraint is what you can do

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it seems like the mystery

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oh would do

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out from the shadow

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prove what you can do

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one lane

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what if i'm not fit to be kind

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well i'm just

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the right one

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is extra hard to find

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it comes so fast

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thanks for joining me for crash week

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i am just sharing

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uh a article that was written about my

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songs for the phenomenon album that i

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so

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thing

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uh you can check it out right there

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and i would love for you to do that

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uh let me see what's up to everybody we

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got lara

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we got robert look it's a cave should we

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if you can make it in

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spaghetti leave crash week should mean

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get extra sleep i can't

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you know i don't know i i can't

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i can't sleep

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i mean i can sleep but like uh i used to

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be able to sleep

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like noon

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but now

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getting up every morning can't help it

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he's on a treadmill typing hard

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made wild wonders what's up

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yeah sure crash recovery week is giving

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oh yeah

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uh dutch uap disclosure

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wilford's what's up

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who else we got benji what's up brella

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thanks for coming in

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um

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case for infinity ah we got a new member

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that's awesome

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cool

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videos from

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when i just started this

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in april

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that are only available

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two members

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what else we got haley what's up haley

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laura thank you very much for coming in

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we got dragonfly in the house

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um we got a surprise guest coming in for

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you today too no it's not

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you know um

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lou elizondo or anything unfortunately

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that'd be cool though but nope

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i don't get those kind of surprise

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guests i get

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good ones real good ones but um

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all right avril what's up doc how are

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invisible night school what's happening

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maybe that's the special guest

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we'll see

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if you guys haven't checked out

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invisible night school's uh case on a

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90's michigan case

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uh with a botched mufon job

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you should totally go check that out i

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think you guys would like it it includes

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like he's got two parts he's got a 911

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call on there he's got um

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uh he put a lot of work into it he's got

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some radar stuff there and he just

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really did a good job of telling the

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story in his last piece he has a guest

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narrators or speakers basically and that

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witness citizen what's up

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cool yeah i'll check that out um

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um reins break on there so that is

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pretty cool

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yeah of course you can post a link bro

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yeah sharing is caring

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yeah thanks man

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oh sweet i'm glad you like the music

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i want to play music but you know i

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can't really play

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like this guy like harry nelson

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or holland wolf or muddy waters because

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i'd get in trouble so

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thank you very much

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glad you liked the haircut

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um buddha khan very nice

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let's see it's not me

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oh you didn't get the

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invite shoot

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uh-oh

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i'm sorry about that i thought you were

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joining us

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well that's not good

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no so it's crash week right and we've

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had some great guests this week but

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we haven't really got into any of the

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crash stuff now there was one day i was

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posting a bunch of crash documents on

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twitter so if you have not

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um

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if you have not

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checked that out

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you should head to my twitter and you

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can check those out they're pretty cool

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um one

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includes grizzled miners

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you know that's interesting yeah

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and aliens in a cave so that's pretty

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cool and other ones

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so you can check those out because i

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will be covering those today but after

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this episode i'm going gonna put you

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know all the documents i have that uh

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you know involve a crash of some sort um

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so you can

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i'm gonna go over

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it's not so much a crash well kind of a

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crush

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um more of like a fragment thing

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um involving a stone a red redstone

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and it revolves around washington dc in

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the sightings of dc uh if you

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watch this channel at all

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you know

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i've gone pretty deep into

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the dc sightings which for starters they

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called temperature inversions

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um and then when it came to like the

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visual settings well what about that

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they said well

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uh same thing

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now the interesting thing there is

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they're quoted as saying and i said my

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little documentary or whatever

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um that isn't it funny that the

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sightings were also at 4 000

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uh feet high

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where temperature inversions may lay

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um well that's wrong uh we go through

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the documents and that's not the case

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one was like 9 000 feet high the other

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19 i think or something so

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to me i sealed the deal that um

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you know something

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pretty crazy was going on

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spaghetti who started the crash week

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that is engaging the phenomenon that was

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his idea

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um so you know i typically don't get too

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far into the crashes because you know it

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always ends up

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at least when i look into it as

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well you never know could be maybe not

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what's up prime time

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yeah but you know it's

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what i do appreciate about it is yeah

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switching it up changing it up

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you know getting a little focused for a

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week it's pretty cool

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you guys want to get into it or what

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this old

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so we can see what i'm about to show you

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alvin

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moore

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um he was a patent lawyer

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and uh he has he's got a lot of other

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accomplishments as well

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and we'll get to that but it mainly

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which is interesting right military game

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robert lowe

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university of colorado the condon report

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we are going to get after that

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this is kind of how i've won the finding

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in the foia reading room

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i can't zoom in

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i wonder if you guys can read that at

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go full screen if you full screen you

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probably could

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but i'll read it so basically there's

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robert lowe are talking

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about this study coming up possibly

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working together and this stone that

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moore found

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so see here this first one

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uh dear tom he's talking to thomas

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ratchford

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um af osr

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in virginia

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attached so you can discuss it if you

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wish with art lindell

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um art i believe was the cia director at

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the time in correspondence with uh

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commander alvin moore

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commander not colonel

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and myself concerning his 1952

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experience and subsequent findings of

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stones which he thinks are related to in

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some way to the ufo problem although i

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haven't been able to find out uh

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yet what the supposed connection is

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there's a good deal that is strange

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about moore's experience in the first

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place the report of the sighting which

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he says he sent to wright patterson is

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not on file there now according to

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sergeant jones

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uh second it turns out that

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is to say moore states that the analysis

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of the artifact found in virginia in 52

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which he says was done by the national

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bureau of standards was never written

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down so there is not contrary to its

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impression a written analysis in

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existence and there would be no record

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at all

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i suppose unless dayton ends up finding

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something

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uh we're kind of screwed doesn't say

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that but

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this of course may be another grain of

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evidence i don't know that rupaul made

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off with some of the files of sightings

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pretty interesting

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uh you know that i visited rupal's widow

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and was not able to find out anything

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although one might possibly judge her

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assertion that she didn't have anything

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that uh ed would never take any air

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force files was a little too ready and a

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little too vigorously asserted

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to carry total conviction

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in any event

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either morit never sent his sighting to

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dayton or dayton never received it or

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they did receive it and subsequently in

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some way or another lost it

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um i don't think

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it is going to be terribly useful to

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follow up further with more if he can

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give me an explanation as to why we

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should look into the stones and they

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appear to have a real relationship to

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the uf vote problem

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then we'll follow up with it otherwise

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so far as i'm concerned this matter is

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closed

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so then this robert lowe writes more and

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i'm kind of going backwards here but

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you get it thanks very much for your

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letter of january 5th i checked with

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right pat

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uh they don't have your file

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on your heavy stone hence i would be

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very grateful as you offered you would

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send me a copy of your own files i would

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very much like to see this but

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unfortunately as i say it looks as if

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it is not available in dayton

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with respect to your coming to boulder i

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would like to discuss this matter with

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dr

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condon to get his reaction it would help

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a great deal in presenting the case to

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him however if you could tell me

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why you think your stones are related to

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the ufo problem i would like to have a

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sort of working hypothesis

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that it could operate on

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at least the inception of your proposed

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work so that we can make a judgment as

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i don't know what that word is who other

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uh there seems there seems to be a

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reasonable basis for supporting the work

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if performed would contribute to the

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interesting last one so this one is from

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more

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too low

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and it's very interesting

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i mean

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look at that

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in view of your remark about a possible

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blank check

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in our conversation today i believe i

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didn't make clear my idea of possibly

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so

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yeah it's pretty interesting uh what i

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had in mind uh my search through my

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large collection of notes blah blah

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clippings

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made over the last 15 years on the

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saucer problem and sorting out those

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pertaining to

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uh the large you know yada yada the

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large number of stones it collected

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and selection of other types of

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materials i found to be somewhat

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frequently associated with them bringing

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these to you at boulder and working

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there under your general direction and

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so

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down below right here you can see i'm

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listed with biography and who's who in

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the south and southwest in my qualifying

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experience

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for research in writing includes

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education and experience in engineering

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history and law

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i have finished

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sufficient courses

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coursework for a phd degree at american

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university

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published two non-fiction books which is

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true

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i certainly hope the committee does a

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good thorough

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oh man

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oh

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that's good for i agree with uh

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uh there's the most important situation

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um acute now that we are about to

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journey far into space

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sincerely of anymore so

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real quick

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i just wanted to start with that because

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that's what got me

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interested in this right

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so

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i read that i'm like that's you know and

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i don't really make too much of it you

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know because you find things and you

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know it's this or that it's not really

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whatever it's not a big deal

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um

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but

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for whatever reason

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i wanted to look a little further into

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it

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and there's not much on this

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command commander more guy

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but i really wanted to find

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like

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what sighting or what happened or what

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crash did these stones come from and is

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and i did find out a little bit

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you know in the papers that we were

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reading

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he

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15 years or whatever

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what are those notes where are they well

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and we're going to touch on that

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the notes

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come from

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his book that he wrote

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well actually

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the book was written based on his notes

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the secret ufo diary of cia operative

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commander elvin e moore exposing the

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existence of the alien sky men

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[Laughter]

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so

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this is commander x um

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spaghetti i bet you remember him

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so

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commander x writes the introduction and

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it's basically after he passed away

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commander moore

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so not that the author former cia op and

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naval intelligence officer by the name

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of commander elvin e mora doesn't have

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the credentials to back up his theories

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and beliefs

435
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he certainly does but in the final

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analysis

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um and what he's really talking about is

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you know his stuff on the sky men and

439
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everything

440
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of all the ufo experts i've encountered

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i would have to say for certain that the

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late commander moore has one of the most

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impressive backgrounds you are ever

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likely to come by his skill in

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engineering and other sciences

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his expertise in history law

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intelligence work and uniquely uniquely

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qualify him to present and evaluate the

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mass of data presented in this book

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education u.s naval academy american

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university george washington school of

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law university of florida and louisiana

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state university

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moore held a bachelor's degree in

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nearly enough to credit us for a phd

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degree when he'd never obtained because

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so

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he's basically that you know just

459
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talking about the guy kind of talking

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them up and i'll just go to the last

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paragraph here in the pages of secret

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diary of ca

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up elvenmoor the reader will learn how

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the piece of wreckage from the ufo that

465
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was shot over washington dc was later

466
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stolen from his office safe and what was

467
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supposed to be

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one of the most highly secure buildings

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in the united states

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you will also have the opportunity for

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oh i didn't get that page

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shoot

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oh here you go

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what the military fears the most about

475
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ufos and space visitors

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you know you got uh the speculation

477
00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:59,039
stuff over here some of them possibly

478
00:24:02,789 --> 00:24:00,960
have homes and caverns on the moon on

479
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mars

480
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so

481
00:24:14,710 --> 00:24:12,549
the sky chemicals and electrostatic

482
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gravity-like force of the alien sky

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islands

484
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and skycraft have caused legions of what

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00:24:22,630 --> 00:24:20,880
we would call accidents

486
00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:22,640
but which are really not

487
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skymen have kidnapped multitude of earth

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people

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of what moore saw as

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the demon-like breed have long extracted

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blood from surface animals and men and

492
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committed mysterious murders to name a

493
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few things more blames on the skymen

494
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and commander x says i can't agree with

495
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this is interesting and his research was

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conducted years before any

497
00:24:58,070 --> 00:24:55,039
disinformation program might have gone

498
00:25:03,430 --> 00:24:58,080
into full effect i i don't know how true

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00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:08,070
here he is commander moore u.s navy

500
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:09,350
again

501
00:25:13,830 --> 00:25:11,600
talking about

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00:25:15,909 --> 00:25:13,840
interesting here he also served a u.s

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patent office examiner specializing in

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aeronautics and propulsion

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an assistant

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oh sean come on man

507
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assistant no scientist

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well

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a cia intelligence officer an american

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vice council he had granted more than

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uh

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that's a bad picture man usb pets on his

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own inventions

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uh mostly on aircraft marine craft

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automobiles he also authored numerous

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technical and

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00:26:01,039 --> 00:26:05,430
oh maybe that's a better one oh well

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00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,510
um now i want to

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go to the stone

520
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let's get a i think a better picture of

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during the week mr robert leslie uh

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lanham 69 years old one of the rural

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neighbors of fairfax county virginia did

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some work on land um that we own near

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00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:35,200
our home

526
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:37,679
lanham's house in our house are under

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the

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uh airline which extends from washington

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to herndon virginia and onto west

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virginia maryland and pittsburgh

531
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:46,960
while i was driving mr lam home after

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work on friday afternoon the 25th of

533
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july 1952

534
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we know that uh that timeline is

535
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accurate as a you know in conjunction

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00:27:03,110 --> 00:26:59,760
with the dc sightings

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00:27:04,830 --> 00:27:03,120
with the mr clarence a johnson 70 years

538
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:04,840
of age also in the

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00:27:09,110 --> 00:27:07,279
car commander i believe that there's

540
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:09,120
something at my place that will interest

541
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:09,840
you

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00:27:15,190 --> 00:27:13,360
wednesday the 23rd 1952

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uh after you took me home i said to my

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00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:17,440
grandson bitsy

545
00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:20,159
bitsy betsy let's go for a walk out in

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00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:21,440
the pines

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i haven't been out there for some time

548
00:27:29,110 --> 00:27:26,240
while we're out there bitsy

549
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:29,120
well busy said to me granddaddy what is

550
00:27:32,149 --> 00:27:30,159
that

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00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:32,159
i looked and saw something like a rock

552
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:34,480
sitting on top of the pine needles

553
00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:36,960
but it was too heavy to be a rock and of

554
00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:39,360
any kind i know and it doesn't look like

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00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:42,159
ordinary rock it had a peculiar odor

556
00:27:46,789 --> 00:27:44,720
like burnt stone it looked like it had

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00:27:48,549 --> 00:27:46,799
fallen on the pine needles

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00:27:51,510 --> 00:27:48,559
i know it must have fallen there because

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00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:51,520
no needles or earth was around it

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00:27:55,029 --> 00:27:53,279
seems to me

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00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:55,039
it might have been a meteorite fair

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00:27:57,510 --> 00:27:55,840
enough

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00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:57,520
it so happens that it worked for many

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00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:59,200
years in the field of rockets aircraft

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00:28:03,510 --> 00:28:00,960
propulsion and guided missiles in the

566
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:03,520
late 30s i pulled her some articles on

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00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:06,240
rockets and i was awarded a navy letter

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00:28:10,870 --> 00:28:08,720
of commendation citation for my

569
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:10,880
engineering production and inspection

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00:28:16,950 --> 00:28:13,360
supervision work of pioneer rocket

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contracts during world war ii as a

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patent examiner and lawyer and in other

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00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:21,679
capacities i have also worked in these

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00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:23,120
fields

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a few days before the 25th

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so basically

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um

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00:28:32,789 --> 00:28:30,880
i'll just finish this

579
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:32,799
i'd read in washington newspapers of the

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00:28:37,029 --> 00:28:34,799
previous sunday's reports of radar

581
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:37,039
trackings of pilot sightings of the

582
00:28:42,549 --> 00:28:40,320
so-called saucers over washington area

583
00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:42,559
capital airlines pilot

584
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:44,159
uh watch the strange lights on his way

585
00:28:48,230 --> 00:28:46,240
to washington to martinsburg west

586
00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:48,240
virginia probably while flying over my

587
00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:51,120
house and mr lanham's house another

588
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:53,360
pilot reported that a brilliantly

589
00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:55,200
lighted object followed his airplane

590
00:28:59,110 --> 00:28:57,120
from overheard in virginia to a point

591
00:29:00,789 --> 00:28:59,120
about four miles from the airport and

592
00:29:03,269 --> 00:29:00,799
this is all true i looked at the actual

593
00:29:06,149 --> 00:29:03,279
documents so it's very interesting that

594
00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:06,159
this account is completely accurate thus

595
00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:11,750
thus is plane and the object flew over

596
00:29:15,909 --> 00:29:13,600
our area in the flying saucer apparently

597
00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:15,919
fell away at a point near the finding

598
00:29:18,070 --> 00:29:16,720
spot of what

599
00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:18,080
[Music]

600
00:29:23,190 --> 00:29:20,480
of what in time i called the virginia

601
00:29:26,470 --> 00:29:23,200
sky stone an expert hobbyist in

602
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:26,480
television operation reported that on

603
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:36,389
that's all i got

604
00:29:41,590 --> 00:29:39,110
and right here i brought this up so you

605
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:41,600
we can kind of see

606
00:29:51,029 --> 00:29:46,070
the stone

607
00:29:55,510 --> 00:29:52,710
i would say fourth paragraph from the

608
00:29:58,310 --> 00:29:55,520
top the stone is bluish gray in color

609
00:30:00,870 --> 00:29:58,320
and is a great deal heavier than the

610
00:30:03,029 --> 00:30:00,880
same volume of ordinary stones

611
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:03,039
its longest dimension four inches on the

612
00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:04,480
surface cylinder

613
00:30:11,669 --> 00:30:06,000
quarter of the arc cylinder surface

614
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:12,470
this

615
00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:15,360
cylindrical surface obviously has been

616
00:30:19,590 --> 00:30:18,640
intelligently shaped apparently by a

617
00:30:21,909 --> 00:30:19,600
tooling

618
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:21,919
there are fragmentary coatings of cement

619
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:24,480
like substance on this cylinder surface

620
00:30:28,389 --> 00:30:26,240
as if to

621
00:30:32,549 --> 00:30:28,399
smooth or embed the slightly irregular

622
00:30:35,669 --> 00:30:33,830
a lot of this stuff i don't know what

623
00:30:36,549 --> 00:30:35,679
the hell they're talking about but

624
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:36,559
this

625
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:38,640
the cement is unlike portland cement it

626
00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:40,559
is soft and may be scratched by the

627
00:30:44,789 --> 00:30:42,480
fingernail fragments of the cement also

628
00:30:47,029 --> 00:30:44,799
adhered to both the roughly parallel

629
00:30:49,750 --> 00:30:47,039
surfaces mentioned above and easily

630
00:30:52,230 --> 00:30:49,760
noticeable amounts and to only one the

631
00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:52,240
smallest of the three fractured

632
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:53,440
surfaces

633
00:30:56,950 --> 00:30:55,120
but there are slight amounts of the

634
00:31:02,710 --> 00:30:56,960
cement adhering to small parts of other

635
00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:05,990
stinky it's bad odor

636
00:31:10,399 --> 00:31:13,909
and

637
00:31:18,149 --> 00:31:16,230
object was found under the air

638
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:18,159
airline over which a pilot reported a

639
00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:23,590
since it is shaped and plastered and not

640
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:25,760
burnt rough and blackened it is not a

641
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,389
well

642
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:34,549
i don't know i don't know

643
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:37,200
so the story goes

644
00:31:39,669 --> 00:31:38,640
i'll just kind of finish it up for you

645
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:39,679
here

646
00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:46,549
it was stolen the the rock was stolen he

647
00:31:52,389 --> 00:31:48,880
actually goes on to say that he had set

648
00:31:57,269 --> 00:31:55,190
uh like a train ride and everything and

649
00:32:00,630 --> 00:31:57,279
went to take this to wright patterson

650
00:32:03,029 --> 00:32:00,640
and it was stolen all that kind of stuff

651
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:04,470
i thought

652
00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:08,159
it was very interesting

653
00:32:20,789 --> 00:32:14,789
i have a bunch of freaking

654
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:22,230
i'm telling you guys a good story and

655
00:32:26,549 --> 00:32:24,480
all you gotta say is that's not that's

656
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:26,559
nothing

657
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:29,760
come on

658
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,789
so forget you guys

659
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:39,190
last time i'd do this

660
00:32:42,870 --> 00:32:41,440
all right

661
00:32:46,389 --> 00:32:42,880
well let's bring in a special guest

662
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:48,149
or we'll wait another hour how about

663
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:48,960
that

664
00:32:51,990 --> 00:32:49,200
no

665
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:52,000
[Laughter]

666
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:53,519
all right here he is invisible night

667
00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:55,440
school how's it going hey what's up you

668
00:33:03,669 --> 00:33:00,870
how are you doing

669
00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:03,679
oh pretty good yeah yeah good i don't

670
00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:05,360
think my um

671
00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:07,120
you know my stone story went over too

672
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:08,320
well but

673
00:33:13,750 --> 00:33:11,200
yeah whatever man whatever

674
00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:13,760
it's actually interesting it uh it leads

675
00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:14,720
into

676
00:33:18,389 --> 00:33:16,640
something that you and i were working on

677
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:18,399
earlier with rob lowe

678
00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:20,240
how'd you read for him not too long ago

679
00:33:22,789 --> 00:33:21,519
that is yeah

680
00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:22,799
a back burner project though just

681
00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:24,960
because it's turning out to be so long

682
00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:25,679
yeah

683
00:33:28,950 --> 00:33:28,000
a lot of stuff happened in 66.

684
00:33:31,269 --> 00:33:28,960
yeah

685
00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:31,279
explore

686
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:33,440
for me it's just interesting in that

687
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:35,919
story that

688
00:33:39,509 --> 00:33:37,679
you know they were talking 68 or

689
00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:39,519
whatever and

690
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:42,320
you know he had found this thing

691
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:45,120
you know 17 years prior

692
00:33:50,149 --> 00:33:48,080
and then it gets stolen

693
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:50,159
interesting evidence likes to go missing

694
00:33:56,549 --> 00:33:54,000
it seems like it's a common theme yeah

695
00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:56,559
the guy you know he had a great resume

696
00:34:01,269 --> 00:33:58,720
storied past

697
00:34:05,029 --> 00:34:01,279
um but maybe

698
00:34:08,710 --> 00:34:06,549
maybe i mean

699
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:08,720
it's all wow look at the cover of the

700
00:34:10,389 --> 00:34:09,599
book

701
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:10,399
yeah

702
00:34:13,589 --> 00:34:12,000
that's excellent

703
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:13,599
i like these uh

704
00:34:16,629 --> 00:34:14,639
books

705
00:34:18,790 --> 00:34:16,639
where did you find that

706
00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:18,800
i looked it up once i saw the documents

707
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:21,200
i started digging in and everything and

708
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:24,000
on the book and it's on amazon amazon

709
00:34:27,990 --> 00:34:25,280
actually has

710
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:28,000
a lot of stuff

711
00:34:33,430 --> 00:34:31,440
and it was used and it was the only one

712
00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:33,440
i uh i was in detroit recently well i

713
00:34:39,270 --> 00:34:35,599
went out to visit the uh the sighting of

714
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:39,280
the 1966 uh dexter ufo sighting

715
00:34:42,869 --> 00:34:41,280
and um i stopped into detroit because

716
00:34:44,869 --> 00:34:42,879
it's right outside of there and i found

717
00:34:46,550 --> 00:34:44,879
this five-story used bookstore called

718
00:34:48,310 --> 00:34:46,560
kings i think

719
00:34:49,349 --> 00:34:48,320
incredible found a bunch of great stuff

720
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:49,359
they're all for like you know two or

721
00:34:55,829 --> 00:34:53,440
three bucks like uh yeah ballet stuff um

722
00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:55,839
i got a copy of the condon report

723
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:57,760
ah i haven't been on my way through that

724
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:00,880
tome yet but i mean yeah is it worth it

725
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:05,040
yes and probably not but no

726
00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:07,440
looks nice on the shelf

727
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:09,599
yeah um

728
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:11,280
it's probably worth it right do they put

729
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:14,160
all the legit files in there

730
00:35:17,910 --> 00:35:16,400
uh from what i know yeah i if you

731
00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:17,920
actually go through and look at some of

732
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:20,320
the files there's a actually a a greater

733
00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:22,079
percentage of unknowns than they kind of

734
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:24,320
claim in the uh the preface and in that

735
00:35:29,430 --> 00:35:26,400
new yorker article i think it was no

736
00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:29,440
sorry new york times okay

737
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:31,599
yeah hard to imagine stuff to remember

738
00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:34,880
yeah no it's it's incredible

739
00:35:41,990 --> 00:35:41,190
i have some stuff here yet that i wanted

740
00:35:45,190 --> 00:35:42,000
to

741
00:35:45,990 --> 00:35:45,200
um just pretty much just show it so i

742
00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:46,000
can

743
00:35:51,910 --> 00:35:48,560
be done with it for the most part

744
00:35:54,150 --> 00:35:51,920
and move on so i'll get to those

745
00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:54,160
crashes

746
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:56,079
and they're not too shabby

747
00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:57,040
nice

748
00:36:01,030 --> 00:35:58,560
i mean there are no

749
00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:01,040
stones involved or anything

750
00:36:03,750 --> 00:36:02,320
i like those things

751
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:03,760
like like we were talking about earlier

752
00:36:07,349 --> 00:36:05,760
those peripheral incidents

753
00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:07,359
they're just interesting to me it's uh

754
00:36:11,430 --> 00:36:09,280
anything outside of kind of archetypal

755
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:11,440
or archetypical ufo case

756
00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:12,640
right

757
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:15,680
and it yeah it was interesting enough to

758
00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:17,040
me

759
00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:19,599
you know to get the book because yeah i

760
00:36:22,950 --> 00:36:21,200
didn't think i was gonna find anything

761
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:22,960
when i started looking into the document

762
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:24,000
really

763
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:26,400
um sure [\h__\h] there's a whole book on it

764
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:28,079
everything

765
00:36:31,030 --> 00:36:30,240
so and then his theories are

766
00:36:33,109 --> 00:36:31,040
you know

767
00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:33,119
something i've never heard before

768
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:34,640
sky man it's always good

769
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:37,839
and little sky islands up there and

770
00:36:43,510 --> 00:36:39,359
you know and that's where they're coming

771
00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:43,520
from so you know it knows

772
00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:45,040
how would we know we're not looking at

773
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:47,280
this guy we're told what's up there

774
00:36:50,410 --> 00:36:49,760
yep right and we're kind of taking their

775
00:36:52,069 --> 00:36:50,420
word for it

776
00:36:52,790 --> 00:36:52,079
[Laughter]

777
00:36:54,390 --> 00:36:52,800
so

778
00:36:58,950 --> 00:36:54,400
could be

779
00:36:59,990 --> 00:36:58,960
so

780
00:37:01,829 --> 00:37:00,000
this one

781
00:37:03,430 --> 00:37:01,839
is interesting

782
00:37:06,829 --> 00:37:03,440
oh

783
00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:09,750
have preparing officers comment at the

784
00:37:14,790 --> 00:37:12,800
bottom if part or all of the objects

785
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:14,800
cited struck the ground there is

786
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:17,280
possibility that the point of impact

787
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:20,160
could be located an examination made of

788
00:37:25,349 --> 00:37:22,480
the immediate area to determine whether

789
00:37:28,150 --> 00:37:25,359
or not the object was a media

790
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:28,160
meteoric body

791
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:31,200
railroad engineer

792
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:33,760
not bad we got a ball silver flash

793
00:37:38,950 --> 00:37:36,400
followed by a light green ball it sounds

794
00:37:41,670 --> 00:37:38,960
like a meteor huh it does light yeah

795
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:41,680
light brown brownish uh trail remaining

796
00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:44,640
visible so 20 seconds all right let's

797
00:37:50,150 --> 00:37:47,440
see what the next one is

798
00:37:53,109 --> 00:37:50,160
a report contains information concerning

799
00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:53,119
the sighting of a ufo at northwest of

800
00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:54,880
pendleton washington

801
00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:55,920
on

802
00:38:02,950 --> 00:38:00,480
23rd of april 1952 interesting

803
00:38:06,710 --> 00:38:02,960
so here we go

804
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:07,510
um

805
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:09,359
nope it's a little small for me

806
00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:11,200
god damn it don't put me on the spot

807
00:38:16,470 --> 00:38:12,640
like that

808
00:38:18,069 --> 00:38:16,480
you got such a nice npr voice though

809
00:38:19,589 --> 00:38:18,079
you know you know what half of it is is

810
00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:19,599
i'm just trying to be quiet so i don't

811
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:21,440
annoy my wife

812
00:38:25,510 --> 00:38:23,920
right no i used to do that uh singing

813
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:25,520
all the time

814
00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:26,400
like

815
00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:28,320
you know when i lived

816
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:30,320
that was man that was when i was

817
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:33,119
recording on a freaking tascam

818
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:36,720
tape recorder nice uh four track and i

819
00:38:40,150 --> 00:38:38,400
was living with my parents

820
00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:40,160
and i would whisper sing

821
00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:42,560
yeah yeah for sure but you kind of get

822
00:38:46,069 --> 00:38:44,320
good at it

823
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:46,079
uh you get me in person talking about

824
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:47,920
ufos and i just start screaming my arms

825
00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:50,640
start flailing so oh i try to be calm

826
00:38:55,589 --> 00:38:52,960
and quiet and in the house

827
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:55,599
yeah yeah you got that nice low smoker's

828
00:38:58,950 --> 00:38:57,200
voice though that works that's what it

829
00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:58,960
is it's all that smoking

830
00:39:02,470 --> 00:39:00,640
yeah

831
00:39:04,870 --> 00:39:02,480
well you know

832
00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:04,880
there's worse things for you i guess

833
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:06,000
like uh

834
00:39:10,150 --> 00:39:08,400
studying ufo cases

835
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:10,160
yeah it's a double whammy

836
00:39:14,710 --> 00:39:12,960
all right so here we go april 12 1954

837
00:39:18,069 --> 00:39:14,720
pursuant to information received by this

838
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:18,079
office this agent contacted mr

839
00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:20,240
arleigh our neil engineerman service

840
00:39:23,750 --> 00:39:22,400
blah blah chicago coast guard station

841
00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:23,760
navy pier

842
00:39:27,589 --> 00:39:25,760
concerning an alleged parachute like

843
00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:27,599
objects skimming over the waterfront

844
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:29,760
seen and reported by mrs

845
00:39:37,829 --> 00:39:32,880
uh leia h stoker 3121 north sheridan

846
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:37,839
road chicago on the 8th of april 1954.

847
00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:38,720
um

848
00:39:43,750 --> 00:39:40,480
reported by telephone aforementioned

849
00:39:46,069 --> 00:39:43,760
mass with a suspended human-like form

850
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:46,079
hovering over the water in the vicinity

851
00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:49,200
of the belmont yacht club

852
00:39:52,310 --> 00:39:51,359
so what i'm thinking right away is okay

853
00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:52,320
so

854
00:39:55,510 --> 00:39:53,920
maybe they're just

855
00:39:57,829 --> 00:39:55,520
you know what's that called where you're

856
00:40:00,150 --> 00:39:57,839
doing the parachute over the parasailing

857
00:40:01,510 --> 00:40:00,160
yeah parasailing or something it doesn't

858
00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:01,520
um

859
00:40:08,230 --> 00:40:04,240
kind of cold in april though hey

860
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:08,240
in chicago where is this oh god yeah yep

861
00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:13,040
well you never know it'd be chilly

862
00:40:16,309 --> 00:40:15,040
there's still it'd be probably frozen a

863
00:40:19,910 --> 00:40:16,319
little bit too

864
00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:19,920
too chilly for any human yeah

865
00:40:22,829 --> 00:40:21,280
but it gets interesting the second

866
00:40:25,030 --> 00:40:22,839
paragraph the agent subsequently

867
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:25,040
interviewed like at her apartment

868
00:40:29,349 --> 00:40:26,880
concerning her i like how they blacker

869
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:29,359
her name out now like he was it was just

870
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:34,550
what a lazy guy who was ever doing this

871
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:36,240
make sure you black out the names fell

872
00:40:40,309 --> 00:40:38,160
asleep woke up and started on the second

873
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:40,319
paragraph

874
00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:41,520
um

875
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:44,400
all right so observation

876
00:40:48,150 --> 00:40:45,599
all right

877
00:40:49,510 --> 00:40:48,160
that's sober frame of mind saw from her

878
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:49,520
skimming over the water in all

879
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:51,440
directions okay

880
00:40:55,349 --> 00:40:53,680
an altitude level with her

881
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:55,359
uh window at a distance of three

882
00:40:59,349 --> 00:40:56,880
thousand feet traversing within the

883
00:41:01,910 --> 00:40:59,359
purview of a 45 degree angle source

884
00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:01,920
commented that because of her doubt she

885
00:41:07,670 --> 00:41:04,160
was asked two

886
00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:07,680
apartment tenants mr blank and mrs blank

887
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:10,000
who were awaiting the apartment elevator

888
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:11,760
to confirm her observation which they

889
00:41:15,450 --> 00:41:15,119
reportedly did for five minutes

890
00:41:16,790 --> 00:41:15,460
um

891
00:41:20,069 --> 00:41:16,800
[Music]

892
00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:20,079
okay then

893
00:41:26,069 --> 00:41:22,960
so and then it landed on the shoreland

894
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:26,079
among the sporadic foliage thus becoming

895
00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:28,240
less conspicuous and detectable sources

896
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:29,760
first believe

897
00:41:35,109 --> 00:41:32,880
that the unidentified

898
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:35,119
uh matter would become entangled with

899
00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:38,960
the trees however its form was now small

900
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:40,800
and resembled a piece of newspaper two

901
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:42,640
to three feet in length

902
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:43,920
that's like a

903
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:45,440
if it's rolled up or something that's

904
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:48,960
interesting the human leg form now

905
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:51,040
uh sighted on the ground and described

906
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:54,000
as being short but natural stature

907
00:42:00,390 --> 00:41:56,800
and dressed in a green one-piece suit

908
00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:00,400
with a simple tight fitting head and

909
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:02,800
chin headrest walked up and down the

910
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:05,280
frontage behind the low stone and

911
00:42:09,030 --> 00:42:07,440
blended with the grasses sources

912
00:42:11,109 --> 00:42:09,040
commented that their uh

913
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:11,119
her observations are very similar to

914
00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:14,640
those illustrated on pages 112 177 and

915
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:18,079
209 of flag saucers have landed

916
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:21,119
by domino leslie and george at mansky

917
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:23,520
which was subsequently given to her by

918
00:42:28,870 --> 00:42:26,880
her son a prominent chicago engineer

919
00:42:32,069 --> 00:42:28,880
who paige was that

920
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:32,079
this yeah you got the book i do

921
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:35,130
yeah awesome uh 112.

922
00:42:43,990 --> 00:42:37,040
[Music]

923
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,510
177

924
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,470
and 209

925
00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:51,829
i wonder if i just have a different

926
00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:54,720
edition in the page number sir

927
00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:56,240
um

928
00:42:59,829 --> 00:42:57,680
yeah maybe i'm not seeing any

929
00:43:02,230 --> 00:42:59,839
illustrations on those pages but i've

930
00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:02,240
got to be they like strange old copy

931
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:03,760
yeah maybe they write them out too or

932
00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:04,800
something

933
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:07,040
um

934
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:09,280
okay so there's that

935
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:17,910
um lasted

936
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:21,280
30 minutes okay

937
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:22,720
vice president

938
00:43:26,230 --> 00:43:24,400
western u wow

939
00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:26,240
besides an apartment interviewed

940
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:31,750
all right so pretty much just going over

941
00:43:36,630 --> 00:43:34,480
the same thing but this agent here

942
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:36,640
agent's note is pretty good

943
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:38,640
agents note

944
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:41,440
impress this agent as being a woman of

945
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:43,680
apparent leisure culture and greater

946
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:46,720
than average financial means devoted to

947
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:49,440
intellectual research and knowledge

948
00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:51,680
as a youngster she asserted that she had

949
00:43:56,550 --> 00:43:54,560
a governess for 14 years and graduated

950
00:43:58,390 --> 00:43:56,560
from high school

951
00:43:59,829 --> 00:43:58,400
at the age of 12.

952
00:44:02,550 --> 00:43:59,839
while

953
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:02,560
continuing on she subsequently attended

954
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:05,760
national park seminary washington dc for

955
00:44:10,630 --> 00:44:08,000
two years preparatory medical missionary

956
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:10,640
work in china she claims fluency in

957
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:12,560
several languages chinese hinduistic

958
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:14,560
greek italian latin german french

959
00:44:21,829 --> 00:44:17,680
russian some basic knowledge of others

960
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:21,839
she has crossed the oceans 14 times

961
00:44:29,589 --> 00:44:28,150
that's something allegedly she has

962
00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:29,599
received while the claim for her

963
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:30,720
writings

964
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:33,920
on a collection of the black madonna and

965
00:44:37,589 --> 00:44:34,880
her

966
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:37,599
authoritativeness on cricket

967
00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:39,839
lore wow

968
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:42,400
she appeared in articles

969
00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:43,440
you know what

970
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:45,839
this is interesting

971
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:48,800
i wonder if this is

972
00:44:52,790 --> 00:44:50,880
now i'd be kind of people wouldn't know

973
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:52,800
what i'm talking about i guess but

974
00:44:57,750 --> 00:44:54,319
um

975
00:45:00,870 --> 00:44:57,760
there's this uh rosendale foundation

976
00:45:02,069 --> 00:45:00,880
with julius rosenwald or whatever

977
00:45:04,150 --> 00:45:02,079
and

978
00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:04,160
that's where like two of these bodies

979
00:45:08,710 --> 00:45:06,960
apparently went to from the aztec thing

980
00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:08,720
and then the daughter wound up taking

981
00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:10,480
over the place

982
00:45:14,470 --> 00:45:11,440
and

983
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:16,950
it the description fits her to a t so

984
00:45:19,990 --> 00:45:18,160
that would be that would be pretty

985
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:20,000
interesting

986
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:21,520
maybe one of them got loose and she

987
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:29,430
yeah i also want to be known as a person

988
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:31,440
of leisure too if someone's describing

989
00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:34,000
me i think that sounds pretty nice as a

990
00:45:37,589 --> 00:45:36,079
person please

991
00:45:39,430 --> 00:45:37,599
well you would be if you're rich i guess

992
00:45:41,109 --> 00:45:39,440
right yeah

993
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:41,119
well you would say

994
00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:42,480
yeah wow

995
00:45:47,829 --> 00:45:44,319
um

996
00:45:50,470 --> 00:45:47,839
there's one more i have but i'll

997
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:50,480
it's just a bunch of analysis on some

998
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:53,760
a crash that happened in michigan behind

999
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:54,960
um

1000
00:45:58,829 --> 00:45:56,880
a dow chemical

1001
00:46:02,150 --> 00:45:58,839
what part of

1002
00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:02,160
michigan okay i'll bring it up

1003
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:04,319
maybe i'll go visit it

1004
00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:06,480
interesting

1005
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:11,430
almost just a up man it takes a while to

1006
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:13,440
get up there

1007
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:15,359
i want to say it's like battle creek or

1008
00:46:20,580 --> 00:46:16,400
something

1009
00:46:25,270 --> 00:46:22,630
[Music]

1010
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:25,280
oh no i don't know where it is

1011
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:27,599
well send it to me then if yeah find it

1012
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:29,280
later and send it to me so that sounds

1013
00:46:34,790 --> 00:46:32,160
interesting and uh i've incidentally

1014
00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:34,800
been covering only michigan cases

1015
00:46:38,950 --> 00:46:36,000
which is weird

1016
00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:38,960
didn't set out to do that but oh well

1017
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:41,040
yeah i mean well it makes sense because

1018
00:46:44,870 --> 00:46:42,640
you're there and you can kind of follow

1019
00:46:46,630 --> 00:46:44,880
up right

1020
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:46,640
yeah i think that makes a lot of sense

1021
00:46:49,829 --> 00:46:47,760
actually

1022
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:49,839
i wanted to i was thinking of doing that

1023
00:46:52,950 --> 00:46:51,359
here but there just really isn't that

1024
00:46:54,309 --> 00:46:52,960
many

1025
00:46:56,550 --> 00:46:54,319
you know i didn't you know i didn't

1026
00:46:58,630 --> 00:46:56,560
think there was um in michigan either

1027
00:46:59,829 --> 00:46:58,640
but they just keep popping up

1028
00:47:01,750 --> 00:46:59,839
just they just don't get a lot of

1029
00:47:03,190 --> 00:47:01,760
coverage i suppose even though even ones

1030
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:03,200
that should

1031
00:47:11,589 --> 00:47:06,560
july 9 1947 well

1032
00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:14,390
yeah it sounds familiar um

1033
00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:15,839
let me look it up

1034
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:18,400
they say right away yes this incident

1035
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:20,880
was evidently a prank or private

1036
00:47:24,549 --> 00:47:22,960
experiment well

1037
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:24,559
how are

1038
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:26,960
those two things are way different

1039
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:28,400
mm-hmm

1040
00:47:32,309 --> 00:47:30,400
is either prank or it was this

1041
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:32,319
experiment that he was doing but

1042
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:34,160
privately like

1043
00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:35,280
what

1044
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:37,520
you know and then they go to

1045
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:41,280
okay like analyze all this stuff

1046
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:42,160
so

1047
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:44,160
regarding the material substance he had

1048
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:47,920
given mr a spencer physicist

1049
00:47:55,589 --> 00:47:54,309
this guy's behind the dow chemical thing

1050
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:55,599
and he

1051
00:47:58,950 --> 00:47:57,119
explains

1052
00:48:02,549 --> 00:47:58,960
basically what we know of are like

1053
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:02,559
orange or red orbs yeah right and it's

1054
00:48:07,990 --> 00:48:06,000
like sparkling crashes

1055
00:48:10,390 --> 00:48:08,000
and there's like burn marks there's

1056
00:48:12,549 --> 00:48:10,400
weird sand that's there that's not like

1057
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:12,559
uh normal sand apparently already

1058
00:48:16,309 --> 00:48:14,240
interesting that well that's that's

1059
00:48:19,190 --> 00:48:16,319
similar to delphos right

1060
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:19,200
yes yeah mess up the soil for a while

1061
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:22,079
right allegedly

1062
00:48:26,390 --> 00:48:23,920
and so this is kind of hard to read

1063
00:48:28,549 --> 00:48:26,400
actually but oh yeah it's light

1064
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:28,559
droplets of silver melted yeah there's

1065
00:48:33,030 --> 00:48:31,520
little silver pellets

1066
00:48:35,589 --> 00:48:33,040
which are interesting

1067
00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:35,599
yeah it's like what is that doing there

1068
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:38,800
um then we have some

1069
00:48:42,710 --> 00:48:40,480
the remark discriminancies in their

1070
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:42,720
stories oh i bet there were

1071
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:44,960
i bet there were must have been an

1072
00:48:49,109 --> 00:48:47,280
experiment or prank

1073
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:49,119
evidently

1074
00:48:53,190 --> 00:48:51,599
major aaron j boggs forwarded here

1075
00:48:55,109 --> 00:48:53,200
within the okay

1076
00:48:57,829 --> 00:48:55,119
in regard to the analysis of certain

1077
00:49:00,309 --> 00:48:57,839
materials discussed by the dow chemical

1078
00:49:06,069 --> 00:49:03,430
midland michigan does that still exist

1079
00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:06,079
there dow chemical company i believe so

1080
00:49:09,270 --> 00:49:08,400
uh it's kind of over by saginaw so like

1081
00:49:10,630 --> 00:49:09,280
if you're

1082
00:49:12,630 --> 00:49:10,640
you're looking at michigan it's in the

1083
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:12,640
crook of the thumb there

1084
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:13,440
which

1085
00:49:16,549 --> 00:49:15,599
that's you know probably

1086
00:49:18,069 --> 00:49:16,559
take me

1087
00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:18,079
two hours to get there you go check it

1088
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:19,599
out go dig up that's probably not worth

1089
00:49:23,589 --> 00:49:22,240
it and find some silver ingots in the

1090
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:23,599
dirt

1091
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:26,160
oh maybe who knows

1092
00:49:31,349 --> 00:49:29,280
how many things the fbi investigated

1093
00:49:34,230 --> 00:49:31,359
really that's interesting

1094
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:34,240
um and this was the next year october 11

1095
00:49:36,549 --> 00:49:35,280
48

1096
00:49:38,710 --> 00:49:36,559
i find that there was an fbi

1097
00:49:40,069 --> 00:49:38,720
investigation which made which was made

1098
00:49:41,910 --> 00:49:40,079
by a man named

1099
00:49:43,829 --> 00:49:41,920
now at the detroit office and it would

1100
00:49:45,990 --> 00:49:43,839
be well to get any additional

1101
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:46,000
information that they dug up so they're

1102
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:47,599
still looking into this which is pretty

1103
00:49:50,549 --> 00:49:49,359
interesting

1104
00:49:53,589 --> 00:49:50,559
that's

1105
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:53,599
i've brought along a sample of the fused

1106
00:49:57,750 --> 00:49:55,359
mineral matter that was found

1107
00:50:00,549 --> 00:49:57,760
surrounding the silver pellets part of

1108
00:50:05,430 --> 00:50:03,190
which has been ground into a fine dust

1109
00:50:08,230 --> 00:50:05,440
for purposes of analysis the silver

1110
00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:08,240
nuggets that were recovered are still on

1111
00:50:13,030 --> 00:50:10,000
hand and will be

1112
00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:13,040
forwarded and also information

1113
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:15,119
additional reports rather on analysis

1114
00:50:25,030 --> 00:50:21,990
indication that it was a self-consuming

1115
00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:25,040
missile capable of producing a

1116
00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:27,440
considerable amount of smoke and fire

1117
00:50:31,510 --> 00:50:30,640
and leaving behind only the minimum

1118
00:50:34,069 --> 00:50:31,520
um

1119
00:50:37,190 --> 00:50:34,079
something required

1120
00:50:40,790 --> 00:50:37,200
to produce a battery transmitter

1121
00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:40,800
it doesn't sound like a prank

1122
00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:42,000
people have strange

1123
00:50:48,390 --> 00:50:45,200
sense to humor you ever know dr baumer

1124
00:50:50,150 --> 00:50:48,400
found the material radioactive

1125
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:50,160
sufficient to count

1126
00:50:55,510 --> 00:50:52,400
the radioactivity was apparently due

1127
00:50:58,150 --> 00:50:55,520
entirely to the thorum and it was

1128
00:51:01,829 --> 00:50:58,160
believed that this could have arisen

1129
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:01,839
from the use of a little luminous

1130
00:51:05,109 --> 00:51:03,599
paint

1131
00:51:06,829 --> 00:51:05,119
i looked that up

1132
00:51:10,069 --> 00:51:06,839
actually

1133
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:10,079
and that that is a thing that wouldn't

1134
00:51:14,390 --> 00:51:13,119
surprise me what yeah it was 1947 1948

1135
00:51:15,829 --> 00:51:14,400
there's all sorts of dangerous stuff in

1136
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:15,839
paint back then right

1137
00:51:19,750 --> 00:51:16,800
yeah

1138
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:19,760
glowing radioactive for sure

1139
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:22,720
so that is pretty interesting and you

1140
00:51:28,870 --> 00:51:24,720
know for whatever reason i don't have

1141
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:28,880
the actual analysis up here but it is

1142
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:30,720
i do have it

1143
00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:32,960
so for anyone that knows anything about

1144
00:51:40,630 --> 00:51:39,190
maybe you can shine and tell us

1145
00:51:42,230 --> 00:51:40,640
we do have another michigander in the

1146
00:51:43,190 --> 00:51:42,240
chat though i think

1147
00:51:44,549 --> 00:51:43,200
oh yeah

1148
00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:44,559
yeah it looks like

1149
00:51:47,430 --> 00:51:46,000
maybe he's just familiar with here and

1150
00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:47,440
he was commenting about how it was near

1151
00:51:50,549 --> 00:51:48,559
saginaw

1152
00:51:52,870 --> 00:51:50,559
uh okay

1153
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:52,880
shaggy no mish again

1154
00:51:55,270 --> 00:51:54,240
which i don't think i've ever been over

1155
00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:55,280
there

1156
00:52:00,069 --> 00:51:58,079
i've never been to michigan actually and

1157
00:52:01,270 --> 00:52:00,079
it's not that far from me

1158
00:52:04,069 --> 00:52:01,280
well it's

1159
00:52:05,990 --> 00:52:04,079
it's awkward to go to you know right

1160
00:52:07,589 --> 00:52:06,000
because of that lake

1161
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:07,599
yeah that lake thing and then you can

1162
00:52:11,430 --> 00:52:09,440
take like a ferry with your car and

1163
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:11,440
stuff but yeah i have i've never done

1164
00:52:14,309 --> 00:52:12,800
that but it goes right into luddington

1165
00:52:17,109 --> 00:52:14,319
which i really do like going to

1166
00:52:19,829 --> 00:52:17,119
lovington so i should try it sometime

1167
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:19,839
the badger i think is what they call it

1168
00:52:23,270 --> 00:52:21,359
big old ship

1169
00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:23,280
yeah

1170
00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:25,040
oh here we go all right so here's the

1171
00:52:29,349 --> 00:52:27,280
analysis so they put a lot of work

1172
00:52:31,030 --> 00:52:29,359
apparently

1173
00:52:33,589 --> 00:52:31,040
into this

1174
00:52:39,670 --> 00:52:33,599
oh this project sign

1175
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:46,470
so first observe a foot of the ground

1176
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:49,430
yeah that is hard to read

1177
00:52:53,349 --> 00:52:51,520
i can do it i can do it

1178
00:52:55,270 --> 00:52:53,359
i know i can

1179
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:55,280
no i can't do it

1180
00:53:00,230 --> 00:52:58,160
project project quote sign unquote i

1181
00:53:03,109 --> 00:53:00,240
have details of unidentified flying

1182
00:53:05,109 --> 00:53:03,119
object incident which occurred 9th of

1183
00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:05,119
july

1184
00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:07,040
sounds like you're taking a leak sorry

1185
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:13,109
this incident involved observation of a

1186
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:16,800
ball of white fire which was

1187
00:53:21,030 --> 00:53:19,520
uh first observed a foot or so off the

1188
00:53:23,829 --> 00:53:21,040
ground

1189
00:53:26,630 --> 00:53:25,190
i don't know what to make of it but it's

1190
00:53:32,710 --> 00:53:26,640
interesting

1191
00:53:38,230 --> 00:53:36,390
so we will get to here it is so

1192
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:38,240
differences other than these indicate in

1193
00:53:41,990 --> 00:53:39,839
the above analysis include the much

1194
00:53:44,230 --> 00:53:42,000
darker color of the known sand which is

1195
00:53:46,870 --> 00:53:44,240
not affected by heating above 250

1196
00:53:50,069 --> 00:53:46,880
degrees the unknown sand is much lighter

1197
00:53:51,030 --> 00:53:50,079
color especially after the fine powder

1198
00:53:52,549 --> 00:53:51,040
is

1199
00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:52,559
sifted out of it

1200
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:55,440
this fine powder is cheaply

1201
00:53:58,710 --> 00:53:56,960
thorite am i saying that right i don't

1202
00:54:00,470 --> 00:53:58,720
know th02

1203
00:54:03,190 --> 00:54:00,480
and constitutes five to ten percent of

1204
00:54:06,390 --> 00:54:03,200
the sample and also gives

1205
00:54:08,309 --> 00:54:06,400
its low radio activity

1206
00:54:10,630 --> 00:54:08,319
after removing the powder the remainder

1207
00:54:12,390 --> 00:54:10,640
of the unknown sample was picked to

1208
00:54:14,470 --> 00:54:12,400
given

1209
00:54:17,750 --> 00:54:14,480
a portion constituting less than a tenth

1210
00:54:21,190 --> 00:54:17,760
of the total leaving

1211
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:23,190
the analysis indicates that the opaque

1212
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:25,359
portion does not contain any thorns the

1213
00:54:30,870 --> 00:54:27,680
x-ray shows it to be silica

1214
00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:32,870
wow well we need somebody smarter to

1215
00:54:38,870 --> 00:54:34,480
look at this

1216
00:54:40,950 --> 00:54:38,880
i'm looking up sorry right now

1217
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:40,960
analysis of sand

1218
00:54:44,789 --> 00:54:43,200
the following analysis of the unknown

1219
00:54:47,349 --> 00:54:44,799
sand

1220
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:47,359
supersedes the analysis given in the

1221
00:54:51,430 --> 00:54:48,960
previous report

1222
00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:51,440
since that sample is very small so this

1223
00:54:55,270 --> 00:54:54,000
is a second one

1224
00:55:02,390 --> 00:54:55,280
where i believe

1225
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:06,870
put a lot of work into this

1226
00:55:10,230 --> 00:55:08,470
somebody did

1227
00:55:11,349 --> 00:55:10,240
right i i guess

1228
00:55:14,390 --> 00:55:11,359
classic

1229
00:55:18,150 --> 00:55:14,400
physical research lab jj gribby

1230
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:24,150
problem number 115

1231
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:28,390
analysis of white metal sample

1232
00:55:31,750 --> 00:55:29,910
metal

1233
00:55:35,510 --> 00:55:31,760
any radioactivity possessed by this

1234
00:55:36,470 --> 00:55:35,520
sample is too low to blackness

1235
00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:36,480
uh

1236
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:39,599
sensitized photographic plate during 60

1237
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:41,040
hours of contact

1238
00:55:45,750 --> 00:55:43,040
the most probable radioactive elements

1239
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:45,760
radium uranium thorium if present have

1240
00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:48,240
too low concentration to be detected by

1241
00:55:52,309 --> 00:55:49,760
ordinary

1242
00:55:55,109 --> 00:55:52,319
means

1243
00:55:58,549 --> 00:55:55,119
oh now there's a problem so that's

1244
00:55:59,990 --> 00:55:58,559
pretty that's that's interesting right

1245
00:56:01,510 --> 00:56:00,000
it is

1246
00:56:03,109 --> 00:56:01,520
steve shaw seems to know a little bit

1247
00:56:06,630 --> 00:56:03,119
about it he's going off in the chat

1248
00:56:09,190 --> 00:56:06,640
about thorium oh is he shoot

1249
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:09,200
yeah i can only do one thing right

1250
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:11,040
what do you know atomic number 90 and a

1251
00:56:14,950 --> 00:56:13,200
heavy metal hmm

1252
00:56:17,589 --> 00:56:14,960
it's radioactive

1253
00:56:20,069 --> 00:56:17,599
interesting so what yeah what i'll do

1254
00:56:21,990 --> 00:56:20,079
for you steve

1255
00:56:23,589 --> 00:56:22,000
is i will

1256
00:56:25,829 --> 00:56:23,599
i'll put the

1257
00:56:28,549 --> 00:56:25,839
the dry folder in the chat here

1258
00:56:32,710 --> 00:56:28,559
and you can look at it if you'd like

1259
00:56:36,630 --> 00:56:34,309
be nice if something worth looking at

1260
00:56:38,150 --> 00:56:36,640
i'll go check it out too i love taking a

1261
00:56:39,910 --> 00:56:38,160
checking out old

1262
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:39,920
scenes

1263
00:56:43,750 --> 00:56:42,240
yeah that's a good idea

1264
00:56:45,190 --> 00:56:43,760
i've been out to the uh the holland

1265
00:56:46,789 --> 00:56:45,200
sighting location a few times now i'd

1266
00:56:47,670 --> 00:56:46,799
just like to go check it out

1267
00:56:49,990 --> 00:56:47,680
really

1268
00:56:51,430 --> 00:56:50,000
yeah yeah i uh looking at maps and stuff

1269
00:56:53,829 --> 00:56:51,440
like that only gives you so much

1270
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:53,839
perspective so i like to kind of like

1271
00:56:57,349 --> 00:56:56,160
get my eyes out there and actually like

1272
00:56:58,549 --> 00:56:57,359
look in the different directions they

1273
00:57:00,150 --> 00:56:58,559
claim they are looking and stuff like

1274
00:57:03,109 --> 00:57:00,160
that and check out right because in the

1275
00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:03,119
original um 911 tape all the addresses

1276
00:57:06,470 --> 00:57:05,040
are not censored so i was able to find

1277
00:57:07,349 --> 00:57:06,480
all the locations

1278
00:57:09,670 --> 00:57:07,359
uh

1279
00:57:11,109 --> 00:57:09,680
but i like yeah i like checking them out

1280
00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:11,119
yeah that's a good idea that's probably

1281
00:57:16,230 --> 00:57:14,640
what a real investigator should do eh

1282
00:57:19,349 --> 00:57:16,240
what am i to say

1283
00:57:21,190 --> 00:57:19,359
not me i'm i'm a totally uh a quantity

1284
00:57:23,349 --> 00:57:21,200
over quality guy i'm like look at this

1285
00:57:26,470 --> 00:57:23,359
look at this look at this

1286
00:57:28,309 --> 00:57:26,480
what does it mean i have no idea no one

1287
00:57:29,990 --> 00:57:28,319
can say so there's the link you can

1288
00:57:32,230 --> 00:57:30,000
check it out for yourself if anyone can

1289
00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:32,240
make uh any use of it

1290
00:57:35,349 --> 00:57:34,240
um

1291
00:57:36,870 --> 00:57:35,359
go ahead

1292
00:57:41,109 --> 00:57:36,880
let me know what you find that's that's

1293
00:57:42,710 --> 00:57:41,119
my only thing that's what i want to know

1294
00:57:44,950 --> 00:57:42,720
also

1295
00:57:46,470 --> 00:57:44,960
since i have you here

1296
00:57:48,230 --> 00:57:46,480
what do you think of bill nelson's

1297
00:57:49,910 --> 00:57:48,240
comments

1298
00:57:52,829 --> 00:57:49,920
i thought they were interesting

1299
00:57:57,349 --> 00:57:52,839
however i also think they sounded very

1300
00:58:00,630 --> 00:57:58,789
almost like a prepared talking point

1301
00:58:02,150 --> 00:58:00,640
that he was riffing on

1302
00:58:03,430 --> 00:58:02,160
so

1303
00:58:07,589 --> 00:58:03,440
is

1304
00:58:09,430 --> 00:58:07,599
reading off of and if so

1305
00:58:10,710 --> 00:58:09,440
does that imply a narrative

1306
00:58:13,510 --> 00:58:10,720
right i mean it's something to think

1307
00:58:15,109 --> 00:58:13,520
about but it is interesting and it is

1308
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:15,119
like on on the complete opposite end of

1309
00:58:18,390 --> 00:58:17,040
that it is just really cool to see

1310
00:58:20,710 --> 00:58:18,400
someone from nasa talking about that

1311
00:58:24,549 --> 00:58:20,720
kind of stuff so i'm so torn about yeah

1312
00:58:27,190 --> 00:58:24,559
yeah it is isn't it um and

1313
00:58:29,190 --> 00:58:27,200
you know what did he say 300

1314
00:58:31,270 --> 00:58:29,200
the pilot saw 300

1315
00:58:33,510 --> 00:58:31,280
had 300 sightings yeah i don't know what

1316
00:58:34,630 --> 00:58:33,520
the time frame was though i have to look

1317
00:58:37,109 --> 00:58:34,640
at that

1318
00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:37,119
um i i mean can we presume it was within

1319
00:58:41,190 --> 00:58:38,480
the last couple of years kind of like

1320
00:58:42,870 --> 00:58:41,200
the um right uip report

1321
00:58:45,750 --> 00:58:42,880
and if that's the case

1322
00:58:47,510 --> 00:58:45,760
that's that's a hell of a lot um

1323
00:58:49,589 --> 00:58:47,520
i mean honestly even if it's 10 years

1324
00:58:51,190 --> 00:58:49,599
that's still a lot 300

1325
00:58:52,630 --> 00:58:51,200
it's a lot more than i've seen

1326
00:58:55,430 --> 00:58:52,640
that's true

1327
00:58:57,109 --> 00:58:55,440
um i've seen

1328
00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:57,119
you know if let's say everything i've

1329
00:59:03,109 --> 00:59:02,390
i guess i can't even say what i think

1330
00:59:06,549 --> 00:59:03,119
but

1331
00:59:08,230 --> 00:59:06,559
they're unidentified for sure yeah so

1332
00:59:09,190 --> 00:59:08,240
it may not mean a lot

1333
00:59:11,670 --> 00:59:09,200
because

1334
00:59:13,510 --> 00:59:11,680
you know but i i do have uh

1335
00:59:15,910 --> 00:59:13,520
a pretty good you know grounding for

1336
00:59:20,710 --> 00:59:15,920
what's in disguise but so

1337
00:59:24,630 --> 00:59:20,720
um i would say one two three four five

1338
00:59:28,789 --> 00:59:24,640
sightings all within a year i'm jealousy

1339
00:59:34,630 --> 00:59:32,230
so there's three of them were single

1340
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:34,640
things

1341
00:59:39,270 --> 00:59:37,440
and two of them were multiple

1342
00:59:40,870 --> 00:59:39,280
so one was

1343
00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:40,880
like four

1344
00:59:44,230 --> 00:59:42,480
or five

1345
00:59:46,309 --> 00:59:44,240
um orbs

1346
00:59:49,270 --> 00:59:46,319
and the other one

1347
00:59:50,789 --> 00:59:49,280
i think was probably like five or six

1348
00:59:53,910 --> 00:59:50,799
just all white

1349
00:59:55,670 --> 00:59:53,920
orbs popping out of a cloud

1350
00:59:58,549 --> 00:59:55,680
i have video of those of the multiple

1351
01:00:00,230 --> 00:59:58,559
ones it's just you know

1352
01:00:02,390 --> 01:00:00,240
i i don't even know if i ever want to

1353
01:00:03,670 --> 01:00:02,400
show it because

1354
01:00:04,549 --> 01:00:03,680
it doesn't look like much from where you

1355
01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:04,559
are

1356
01:00:08,069 --> 01:00:06,000
uh

1357
01:00:10,549 --> 01:00:08,079
i i think so

1358
01:00:12,549 --> 01:00:10,559
but other you know other people you know

1359
01:00:14,470 --> 01:00:12,559
oh that's nothing that's right yes or

1360
01:00:18,230 --> 01:00:14,480
that or whatever the hell

1361
01:00:20,150 --> 01:00:18,240
or so yeah whatever it is what it is

1362
01:00:21,589 --> 01:00:20,160
go ahead oh that's that's the thing with

1363
01:00:23,190 --> 01:00:21,599
video is like it's never going to be

1364
01:00:24,630 --> 01:00:23,200
conclusive you could have a really good

1365
01:00:26,870 --> 01:00:24,640
video and it still won't be conclusive

1366
01:00:28,470 --> 01:00:26,880
without other things so like

1367
01:00:30,230 --> 01:00:28,480
people that are putting that much stock

1368
01:00:32,309 --> 01:00:30,240
into them i think should just take a

1369
01:00:33,589 --> 01:00:32,319
step back and realize like it's just

1370
01:00:35,109 --> 01:00:33,599
part of it you know what i mean

1371
01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:35,119
especially like yeah

1372
01:00:38,150 --> 01:00:36,720
our technology is pretty limited it's

1373
01:00:39,430 --> 01:00:38,160
it's hard taking pictures of lights in

1374
01:00:41,430 --> 01:00:39,440
the sky

1375
01:00:43,190 --> 01:00:41,440
with even the new iphones and stuff like

1376
01:00:45,670 --> 01:00:43,200
that it still doesn't look great

1377
01:00:47,829 --> 01:00:45,680
yeah totally in

1378
01:00:50,630 --> 01:00:47,839
i think you hit it on the head like is a

1379
01:00:52,150 --> 01:00:50,640
video ever going to be

1380
01:00:53,109 --> 01:00:52,160
um

1381
01:00:54,870 --> 01:00:53,119
proof

1382
01:00:56,870 --> 01:00:54,880
even if it's

1383
01:00:59,270 --> 01:00:56,880
a great video

1384
01:01:00,470 --> 01:00:59,280
will that prove anything

1385
01:01:02,710 --> 01:01:00,480
it won't

1386
01:01:04,470 --> 01:01:02,720
because you can fake it

1387
01:01:05,589 --> 01:01:04,480
yeah you can see

1388
01:01:07,589 --> 01:01:05,599
or whatever

1389
01:01:12,309 --> 01:01:07,599
you know so whatever it is even if it

1390
01:01:15,670 --> 01:01:13,349
you know

1391
01:01:17,670 --> 01:01:15,680
so have a lot of things that have come

1392
01:01:18,789 --> 01:01:17,680
out on the big screen

1393
01:01:20,549 --> 01:01:18,799
right

1394
01:01:22,150 --> 01:01:20,559
i was uh i was thinking about this a lot

1395
01:01:23,829 --> 01:01:22,160
um back a couple weeks ago when everyone

1396
01:01:26,470 --> 01:01:23,839
was talking about that rubber ducky

1397
01:01:28,870 --> 01:01:26,480
video and i just like

1398
01:01:30,710 --> 01:01:28,880
even if collectively we all looked at

1399
01:01:32,870 --> 01:01:30,720
that and couldn't figure out what it was

1400
01:01:34,789 --> 01:01:32,880
it's still it's it's an it's anomalous

1401
01:01:36,710 --> 01:01:34,799
at that point it's unidentified

1402
01:01:37,670 --> 01:01:36,720
right from the perspective of that

1403
01:01:39,270 --> 01:01:37,680
camera

1404
01:01:40,870 --> 01:01:39,280
you know what i mean you can't there's

1405
01:01:42,710 --> 01:01:40,880
nothing conclusive you can say once you

1406
01:01:44,470 --> 01:01:42,720
have a video and say like i don't know

1407
01:01:45,910 --> 01:01:44,480
what that is in that video

1408
01:01:48,069 --> 01:01:45,920
that's where that conversation ends

1409
01:01:50,069 --> 01:01:48,079
really without you know putting your own

1410
01:01:51,349 --> 01:01:50,079
bias on it or jumping to any conclusions

1411
01:01:56,150 --> 01:01:51,359
so

1412
01:01:58,309 --> 01:01:56,160
yeah i don't know i don't know i don't

1413
01:02:00,069 --> 01:01:58,319
well i say that while i'm

1414
01:02:01,190 --> 01:02:00,079
like feverishly pursuing videos of

1415
01:02:02,230 --> 01:02:01,200
something but

1416
01:02:04,470 --> 01:02:02,240
yeah

1417
01:02:06,390 --> 01:02:04,480
but you're at but you're adding that to

1418
01:02:09,270 --> 01:02:06,400
something that has other information

1419
01:02:11,270 --> 01:02:09,280
right strong context already yeah which

1420
01:02:13,270 --> 01:02:11,280
yeah and that's the point is it's a it's

1421
01:02:14,870 --> 01:02:13,280
a piece of a puzzle it's not the whole

1422
01:02:16,069 --> 01:02:14,880
thing it's not the whole image but when

1423
01:02:19,990 --> 01:02:16,079
you

1424
01:02:21,349 --> 01:02:20,000
better it looks though right right yeah

1425
01:02:23,109 --> 01:02:21,359
and you're not

1426
01:02:24,870 --> 01:02:23,119
you know just coming out with a video

1427
01:02:26,309 --> 01:02:24,880
that you're saying is going to be the

1428
01:02:28,950 --> 01:02:26,319
best thing

1429
01:02:30,950 --> 01:02:28,960
that you people have seen since

1430
01:02:33,029 --> 01:02:30,960
you know jesus rose from the dead and

1431
01:02:35,109 --> 01:02:33,039
then that's all you got

1432
01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:35,119
right and then yeah and videos are

1433
01:02:38,710 --> 01:02:36,880
endlessly debatable like look at the

1434
01:02:40,390 --> 01:02:38,720
look at the ones we have over the last

1435
01:02:42,630 --> 01:02:40,400
couple years we're still talking about

1436
01:02:44,069 --> 01:02:42,640
them still going back and forth on uh

1437
01:02:47,750 --> 01:02:44,079
the gimbal and the go fast and all those

1438
01:02:49,430 --> 01:02:47,760
things yeah and and like

1439
01:02:51,990 --> 01:02:49,440
to be perfectly honest like those don't

1440
01:02:53,349 --> 01:02:52,000
look like anything you know what i mean

1441
01:02:54,789 --> 01:02:53,359
like they look cool and they show a

1442
01:02:56,789 --> 01:02:54,799
little bit of interesting movement and

1443
01:02:57,829 --> 01:02:56,799
stuff but like maybe

1444
01:03:00,710 --> 01:02:57,839
but uh

1445
01:03:02,870 --> 01:03:00,720
right but then what you know what is it

1446
01:03:05,190 --> 01:03:02,880
it well it's not enough obviously

1447
01:03:06,950 --> 01:03:05,200
because we're still here right right

1448
01:03:08,789 --> 01:03:06,960
right so

1449
01:03:12,390 --> 01:03:08,799
but i mean like i i kind of appreciate

1450
01:03:15,430 --> 01:03:12,400
that i i like savoring the mystery so

1451
01:03:18,630 --> 01:03:15,440
i do i look for answers but i enjoy it

1452
01:03:20,309 --> 01:03:18,640
the entire time if if the disclosure

1453
01:03:22,069 --> 01:03:20,319
happened like everybody wants tomorrow

1454
01:03:23,430 --> 01:03:22,079
like what would i do now

1455
01:03:25,270 --> 01:03:23,440
right

1456
01:03:26,870 --> 01:03:25,280
that would be that would suck go back

1457
01:03:29,510 --> 01:03:26,880
and play video games

1458
01:03:32,390 --> 01:03:31,109
uh all right yeah i appreciate the

1459
01:03:35,670 --> 01:03:32,400
mystery

1460
01:03:38,390 --> 01:03:35,680
i'm gonna take a little bit of a break

1461
01:03:42,549 --> 01:03:38,400
and we're gonna listen to

1462
01:03:44,309 --> 01:03:42,559
gary wilcox's 1964 martian encounter

1463
01:03:46,950 --> 01:03:44,319
cool

1464
01:03:49,270 --> 01:03:46,960
yeah so i'll be right back

1465
01:03:51,510 --> 01:03:49,280
and yeah i just gotta go to the bathroom

1466
01:03:52,549 --> 01:03:51,520
and maybe take a puff off a cigarette

1467
01:03:59,430 --> 01:03:52,559
same

1468
01:04:04,470 --> 01:04:01,750
we're from upstate new york he lives in

1469
01:04:06,069 --> 01:04:04,480
a town called newark new york and most

1470
01:04:08,630 --> 01:04:06,079
important of all he's been raided by his

1471
01:04:12,309 --> 01:04:08,640
neighbors as quiet serious hardworking

1472
01:04:14,789 --> 01:04:12,319
and sober his name is gary wilcox and we

1473
01:04:17,029 --> 01:04:14,799
caught up with mr wilcox earlier today

1474
01:04:19,750 --> 01:04:17,039
in his board he had an extension phone

1475
01:04:21,430 --> 01:04:19,760
out there and you'll notice the moon

1476
01:04:24,309 --> 01:04:21,440
in the background we talked with him and

1477
01:04:30,540 --> 01:04:24,319
we asked him where he was when he first

1478
01:04:30,550 --> 01:04:39,109
[Music]

1479
01:04:44,390 --> 01:04:41,750
there's nothing in view i mean in hawaii

1480
01:04:46,470 --> 01:04:44,400
it's all open ground and there's no

1481
01:04:47,829 --> 01:04:46,480
light spots up there whether something

1482
01:04:49,270 --> 01:04:47,839
[\h__\h] it off from there it looked just

1483
01:04:51,589 --> 01:04:49,280
like a

1484
01:05:03,750 --> 01:04:51,599
mirror shining in my face and i

1485
01:05:06,829 --> 01:05:05,270
what does it look like as you got closer

1486
01:05:10,390 --> 01:05:06,839
to

1487
01:05:11,589 --> 01:05:10,400
it well i got 120 yards from it then i

1488
01:05:13,430 --> 01:05:11,599
couldn't see nothing there wasn't no

1489
01:05:14,789 --> 01:05:13,440
painting or nothing but as i went closer

1490
01:05:16,950 --> 01:05:14,799
i got

1491
01:05:18,390 --> 01:05:16,960
i was within 100 feet before i saw

1492
01:05:19,430 --> 01:05:18,400
anything

1493
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:19,440
this was

1494
01:05:36,370 --> 01:05:47,589
[Music]

1495
01:05:51,190 --> 01:05:48,950
what did the surface look like it was

1496
01:05:52,789 --> 01:05:51,200
made out of

1497
01:05:54,950 --> 01:05:52,799
oh

1498
01:05:57,589 --> 01:05:54,960
aluminum colored whitish colored had a

1499
01:05:59,029 --> 01:05:57,599
white cast to it but it wasn't right it

1500
01:06:08,470 --> 01:05:59,039
was

1501
01:06:09,829 --> 01:06:08,480
did a door open before these people came

1502
01:06:11,510 --> 01:06:09,839
out of it how did they appear how did

1503
01:06:13,589 --> 01:06:11,520
you meet the little men

1504
01:06:15,190 --> 01:06:13,599
well i don't know i was

1505
01:06:16,710 --> 01:06:15,200
feeling right now just getting ready to

1506
01:06:31,250 --> 01:06:16,720
come back don't call the sheriff up and

1507
01:06:44,630 --> 01:06:37,790
[Music]

1508
01:06:48,789 --> 01:06:46,470
you could perfectly understand that they

1509
01:06:50,710 --> 01:06:48,799
talk better english

1510
01:06:53,430 --> 01:06:50,720
did they talk with any kind of an accent

1511
01:06:58,150 --> 01:06:53,440
no no action or nothing i spoke german

1512
01:07:01,349 --> 01:06:59,829
and what do they have to tell you what

1513
01:07:03,510 --> 01:07:01,359
were some of the things they said how

1514
01:07:05,190 --> 01:07:03,520
did they address you oh first thing they

1515
01:07:07,270 --> 01:07:05,200
said was don't be alarmed when you talk

1516
01:07:10,069 --> 01:07:07,280
to people before

1517
01:07:11,270 --> 01:07:10,079
and they will be questioning uh how i

1518
01:07:12,470 --> 01:07:11,280
see them and stuff they were quite

1519
01:07:14,710 --> 01:07:12,480
concerned that i shouldn't have seen

1520
01:07:16,470 --> 01:07:14,720
them within a hundred feet or so and

1521
01:07:18,069 --> 01:07:16,480
when i told him i saw them lay down

1522
01:07:19,589 --> 01:07:18,079
where i spread menorahs

1523
01:07:20,870 --> 01:07:19,599
away they were quite concerned they said

1524
01:07:23,510 --> 01:07:20,880
i shouldn't have seen him in the daytime

1525
01:07:24,789 --> 01:07:23,520
like that's why in the daytime

1526
01:07:26,230 --> 01:07:24,799
did they tell you what they were doing

1527
01:07:30,950 --> 01:07:26,240
there i

1528
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:40,470
[Music]

1529
01:07:43,990 --> 01:07:41,829
that's what they were doing they started

1530
01:07:46,549 --> 01:07:44,000
collecting organic material and stuff

1531
01:07:48,390 --> 01:07:46,559
where did they say they were from

1532
01:07:50,309 --> 01:07:48,400
well

1533
01:07:51,589 --> 01:07:50,319
really this sounds awful silly i know

1534
01:07:53,589 --> 01:07:51,599
but uh

1535
01:08:03,349 --> 01:07:53,599
they told me they were from what i know

1536
01:08:07,270 --> 01:08:04,870
you sound like you find it rather hard

1537
01:08:09,270 --> 01:08:07,280
to believe yourself well i know i was up

1538
01:08:11,349 --> 01:08:09,280
there for two hours i was touching the

1539
01:08:12,789 --> 01:08:11,359
thing and talking to somebody i don't

1540
01:08:14,069 --> 01:08:12,799
know who it was

1541
01:08:16,149 --> 01:08:14,079
and you said you talked to them for

1542
01:08:18,789 --> 01:08:16,159
about two hours oh it's probably not

1543
01:08:20,630 --> 01:08:18,799
half i was up there about come on

1544
01:08:22,390 --> 01:08:20,640
did they mention anything about mans

1545
01:08:24,789 --> 01:08:22,400
getting into space sort of coming into

1546
01:08:26,630 --> 01:08:24,799
their territory well

1547
01:08:28,229 --> 01:08:26,640
they talked about some of the stuff we

1548
01:08:30,929 --> 01:08:28,239
can't say anything about something like

1549
01:08:34,870 --> 01:08:32,709
[Music]

1550
01:08:36,630 --> 01:08:34,880
talking about the people were

1551
01:08:38,390 --> 01:08:36,640
silly to go into space they would never

1552
01:08:40,149 --> 01:08:38,400
survive there just because they can't

1553
01:08:41,910 --> 01:08:40,159
survive there they said they can only

1554
01:08:43,829 --> 01:08:41,920
make a trip but every two years the two

1555
01:08:45,749 --> 01:08:43,839
that were here

1556
01:08:47,110 --> 01:08:45,759
but they can't stay in this atmosphere

1557
01:08:49,349 --> 01:08:47,120
that

1558
01:08:51,110 --> 01:08:49,359
first men would have even a harder time

1559
01:08:52,630 --> 01:08:51,120
than they though

1560
01:08:54,309 --> 01:08:52,640
they were telling me they're

1561
01:08:55,990 --> 01:08:54,319
much farther advanced than this kind of

1562
01:08:58,229 --> 01:08:56,000
stuff than we are

1563
01:09:00,390 --> 01:08:58,239
but they were more interested in

1564
01:09:01,590 --> 01:09:00,400
agriculture aspects of agriculture than

1565
01:09:03,510 --> 01:09:01,600
anything he asked me what i was doing

1566
01:09:05,669 --> 01:09:03,520
about the manure

1567
01:09:06,870 --> 01:09:05,679
where i got it and what it did and all

1568
01:09:08,470 --> 01:09:06,880
that stuff they didn't know nothing

1569
01:09:10,229 --> 01:09:08,480
about agriculture they don't have no

1570
01:09:12,309 --> 01:09:10,239
organic material or anything like that

1571
01:09:14,630 --> 01:09:12,319
up there they said they survive and what

1572
01:09:15,990 --> 01:09:14,640
they get out of the atmosphere they have

1573
01:09:17,669 --> 01:09:16,000
they didn't stress at any point they

1574
01:09:21,990 --> 01:09:17,679
made a lot of statements like that but

1575
01:09:26,309 --> 01:09:23,510
did you say that there were other things

1576
01:09:27,749 --> 01:09:26,319
they told you that you cannot reveal

1577
01:09:29,910 --> 01:09:27,759
um

1578
01:09:32,789 --> 01:09:29,920
why not why can't you reveal these other

1579
01:09:46,709 --> 01:09:35,730
why

1580
01:09:46,719 --> 01:09:51,230
oh

1581
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:59,510
[Music]

1582
01:10:05,270 --> 01:10:02,950
why they were here

1583
01:10:07,669 --> 01:10:05,280
did these creatures have features like

1584
01:10:09,510 --> 01:10:07,679
we do on earth

1585
01:10:12,229 --> 01:10:09,520
they were about four foot tall and they

1586
01:10:14,709 --> 01:10:12,239
had arms and legs and heads the

1587
01:10:16,709 --> 01:10:14,719
way they had feet is i would presume so

1588
01:10:18,550 --> 01:10:16,719
they just had a complete uniform covered

1589
01:10:19,830 --> 01:10:18,560
everything i mean as far as seeing

1590
01:10:21,430 --> 01:10:19,840
creatures you couldn't see anything the

1591
01:10:22,950 --> 01:10:21,440
voice comes from it

1592
01:10:23,910 --> 01:10:22,960
from the front one some place i don't

1593
01:10:25,510 --> 01:10:23,920
know

1594
01:10:27,510 --> 01:10:25,520
you could say it come from the head or

1595
01:10:30,390 --> 01:10:27,520
come say it come from a stomach or where

1596
01:10:33,830 --> 01:10:32,390
someplace he was about four or five feet

1597
01:10:36,550 --> 01:10:33,840
away from me what color were the

1598
01:10:38,709 --> 01:10:36,560
uniforms same color as a ship sort of

1599
01:10:40,709 --> 01:10:38,719
like a spacesuit i was in the same car i

1600
01:10:42,870 --> 01:10:40,719
didn't touch the uniforms but they

1601
01:10:45,570 --> 01:10:42,880
looked to me like the same kind of stuff

1602
01:10:45,580 --> 01:10:57,590
[Music]

1603
01:11:00,950 --> 01:10:59,750
and there you have it reporting from his

1604
01:11:03,910 --> 01:11:00,960
barn in

1605
01:11:05,990 --> 01:11:03,920
new york gary wilcox a 28 year old dairy

1606
01:11:08,149 --> 01:11:06,000
farmer who says he saw

1607
01:11:09,990 --> 01:11:08,159
well you you heard mr wilcox and we'll

1608
01:11:18,229 --> 01:11:10,000
continue our conversation our guest here

1609
01:11:18,239 --> 01:11:21,430
what do you think

1610
01:11:29,910 --> 01:11:24,070
pretty crazy huh

1611
01:11:34,390 --> 01:11:32,229
uh-oh

1612
01:11:35,510 --> 01:11:34,400
[\h__\h] i get this guy playing in the

1613
01:11:36,709 --> 01:11:35,520
background sorry

1614
01:11:39,350 --> 01:11:36,719
[Laughter]

1615
01:11:40,709 --> 01:11:39,360
yeah pretty interesting huh

1616
01:11:43,750 --> 01:11:40,719
definitely

1617
01:11:45,910 --> 01:11:43,760
i got i got something for you though

1618
01:11:48,550 --> 01:11:45,920
so

1619
01:12:01,750 --> 01:11:48,560
it and it kind of is how i found this to

1620
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:11,510
where'd you go

1621
01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:14,870
sorry about that there you are

1622
01:12:24,070 --> 01:12:21,189
no but uh i have so

1623
01:12:26,630 --> 01:12:24,080
i got this book

1624
01:12:29,030 --> 01:12:26,640
here we go again right the book

1625
01:12:31,990 --> 01:12:29,040
i got the book and that's what made me

1626
01:12:34,550 --> 01:12:32,000
look this thing up

1627
01:12:36,390 --> 01:12:34,560
and in the book and i can't find well i

1628
01:12:38,149 --> 01:12:36,400
haven't tried super hard but i couldn't

1629
01:12:40,790 --> 01:12:38,159
find

1630
01:12:42,550 --> 01:12:40,800
uh like a picture of of

1631
01:12:44,550 --> 01:12:42,560
you know the men he's describing or

1632
01:12:47,430 --> 01:12:44,560
whatever

1633
01:12:52,870 --> 01:12:49,030
online that is

1634
01:12:55,750 --> 01:12:52,880
right but in the book there is one

1635
01:12:57,910 --> 01:12:55,760
oh oh yeah wait i've seen this before

1636
01:13:00,070 --> 01:12:57,920
did you post it recently

1637
01:13:01,990 --> 01:13:00,080
i don't think i did

1638
01:13:04,390 --> 01:13:02,000
i saw it really recently it's really

1639
01:13:06,149 --> 01:13:04,400
eerie actually

1640
01:13:07,350 --> 01:13:06,159
i like it a lot

1641
01:13:08,149 --> 01:13:07,360
weird huh

1642
01:13:11,910 --> 01:13:08,159
yeah

1643
01:13:13,510 --> 01:13:11,920
this one kind of to me it would be

1644
01:13:14,870 --> 01:13:13,520
like look at those shoes this would be

1645
01:13:17,990 --> 01:13:14,880
like a

1646
01:13:19,430 --> 01:13:18,000
time traveler thing maybe if it was real

1647
01:13:21,669 --> 01:13:19,440
that's what it reminded me it reminded

1648
01:13:23,350 --> 01:13:21,679
me of that scene in back to the future

1649
01:13:25,430 --> 01:13:23,360
when he comes back in the radio the

1650
01:13:26,530 --> 01:13:25,440
radiation suit and says he's darth vader

1651
01:13:27,750 --> 01:13:26,540
running out of that

1652
01:13:29,669 --> 01:13:27,760
[Laughter]

1653
01:13:30,790 --> 01:13:29,679
interesting well i mean this predates it

1654
01:13:33,590 --> 01:13:30,800
quite a bit

1655
01:13:36,070 --> 01:13:33,600
gary wilcox a farmer

1656
01:13:38,709 --> 01:13:36,080
and those those cowards were moving

1657
01:13:40,390 --> 01:13:38,719
that's for sure

1658
01:13:43,189 --> 01:13:40,400
yeah see we can't tell if they're little

1659
01:13:45,430 --> 01:13:43,199
or not true

1660
01:13:46,950 --> 01:13:45,440
oh but this is interesting

1661
01:13:49,669 --> 01:13:46,960
gary wilcox

1662
01:13:51,830 --> 01:13:49,679
so not all right he says that they made

1663
01:13:53,189 --> 01:13:51,840
a prediction that an american astronaut

1664
01:13:56,149 --> 01:13:53,199
would soon die

1665
01:14:00,550 --> 01:13:56,159
not long after three astronauts did die

1666
01:14:02,550 --> 01:14:00,560
in a practice rocket launching accident

1667
01:14:05,030 --> 01:14:02,560
wow they lost their lives in a fire

1668
01:14:07,030 --> 01:14:05,040
aboard apollo 1.

1669
01:14:09,030 --> 01:14:07,040
that was a little a little while after

1670
01:14:10,630 --> 01:14:09,040
wasn't it

1671
01:14:13,430 --> 01:14:10,640
i don't know

1672
01:14:15,110 --> 01:14:13,440
what's that um

1673
01:14:16,790 --> 01:14:15,120
yeah it's a good idea to look that up

1674
01:14:19,030 --> 01:14:16,800
yeah

1675
01:14:22,230 --> 01:14:19,040
very interesting i thought

1676
01:14:23,350 --> 01:14:22,240
um so the book that i have

1677
01:14:26,149 --> 01:14:23,360
[Music]

1678
01:14:26,830 --> 01:14:26,159
is written by

1679
01:14:28,390 --> 01:14:26,840
a

1680
01:14:34,709 --> 01:14:28,400
jim

1681
01:14:39,910 --> 01:14:35,830
is

1682
01:14:44,550 --> 01:14:43,669
collins elite or collins bloodline

1683
01:14:50,390 --> 01:14:44,560
uh

1684
01:14:52,630 --> 01:14:50,400
illuminati

1685
01:14:54,149 --> 01:14:52,640
oh he's one of those

1686
01:14:55,430 --> 01:14:54,159
yeah

1687
01:14:58,229 --> 01:14:55,440
interesting

1688
01:15:01,270 --> 01:14:58,239
yeah really

1689
01:15:03,910 --> 01:15:01,280
which the cia has uh like a 300-page

1690
01:15:05,430 --> 01:15:03,920
document on their website on

1691
01:15:06,790 --> 01:15:05,440
those

1692
01:15:09,270 --> 01:15:06,800
which is pretty crazy i didn't i

1693
01:15:11,830 --> 01:15:09,280
couldn't do it but i was thinking like

1694
01:15:14,470 --> 01:15:11,840
collins collins elite hmm

1695
01:15:16,790 --> 01:15:14,480
you know and so i saw collins right away

1696
01:15:18,550 --> 01:15:16,800
it was like the big name in there

1697
01:15:20,070 --> 01:15:18,560
um and

1698
01:15:21,910 --> 01:15:20,080
then they were talking about jim collins

1699
01:15:24,870 --> 01:15:21,920
who wrote a couple ufo books and i'm

1700
01:15:26,310 --> 01:15:24,880
like where can i find that and

1701
01:15:27,350 --> 01:15:26,320
i did

1702
01:15:28,310 --> 01:15:27,360
so

1703
01:15:29,750 --> 01:15:28,320
that

1704
01:15:32,550 --> 01:15:29,760
was interesting

1705
01:15:34,550 --> 01:15:32,560
jim collins

1706
01:15:36,470 --> 01:15:34,560
i thought sounds very familiar to me we

1707
01:15:38,310 --> 01:15:36,480
could look at some crazy ufo pictures

1708
01:15:40,229 --> 01:15:38,320
too

1709
01:15:41,030 --> 01:15:40,239
bring them on

1710
01:15:42,950 --> 01:15:41,040
let's get this one

1711
01:15:46,070 --> 01:15:42,960
[Music]

1712
01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:46,080
interesting 1991 scotland what am i

1713
01:15:53,110 --> 01:15:47,760
looking at there

1714
01:15:53,120 --> 01:16:05,350
that one i've seen i think

1715
01:16:07,990 --> 01:16:06,950
there's so much stuff floating around in

1716
01:16:09,110 --> 01:16:08,000
space

1717
01:16:10,550 --> 01:16:09,120
hard to say

1718
01:16:12,149 --> 01:16:10,560
grandmaster

1719
01:16:21,189 --> 01:16:12,159
yeah pretty much

1720
01:16:26,390 --> 01:16:23,830
that looks very uh billy meyer ask that

1721
01:16:31,270 --> 01:16:28,149
some of these are pretty

1722
01:16:33,669 --> 01:16:32,790
you know what that one reminds me of is

1723
01:16:35,990 --> 01:16:33,679
um

1724
01:16:38,229 --> 01:16:36,000
the golf breeze photos

1725
01:16:40,630 --> 01:16:38,239
it's got a similar look to it that's a

1726
01:16:49,189 --> 01:16:40,640
good yeah

1727
01:16:52,470 --> 01:16:50,870
that looks like one of those clouds they

1728
01:16:55,189 --> 01:16:52,480
put in the um

1729
01:16:57,270 --> 01:16:55,199
yeah all the new newbie ufo books

1730
01:17:01,990 --> 01:16:57,280
there's always that one photo of the

1731
01:17:06,550 --> 01:17:03,910
well

1732
01:17:07,750 --> 01:17:06,560
that was kind of interesting

1733
01:17:08,950 --> 01:17:07,760
which there is nothing there for

1734
01:17:13,990 --> 01:17:08,960
contacts

1735
01:17:21,430 --> 01:17:16,709
looks like an umbrella

1736
01:17:25,980 --> 01:17:23,350
did you ever see this one lake erie new

1737
01:17:27,430 --> 01:17:25,990
york it looks like it's crying

1738
01:17:30,390 --> 01:17:27,440
[Laughter]

1739
01:17:39,430 --> 01:17:30,400
what is that the yeah the blue guy

1740
01:17:42,870 --> 01:17:40,390
classic

1741
01:17:44,390 --> 01:17:42,880
phoenix lights

1742
01:17:46,870 --> 01:17:44,400
those are the flares

1743
01:17:47,830 --> 01:17:46,880
right yes right i remember watching this

1744
01:17:49,910 --> 01:17:47,840
live

1745
01:17:51,590 --> 01:17:49,920
that was really interesting

1746
01:17:52,550 --> 01:17:51,600
different phoenix one oh you watched

1747
01:17:54,870 --> 01:17:52,560
this one

1748
01:17:59,590 --> 01:17:54,880
yeah yeah i was saying

1749
01:18:06,790 --> 01:18:03,669
another classic is that nadam ski

1750
01:18:08,630 --> 01:18:06,800
it must be because that's uh like

1751
01:18:10,310 --> 01:18:08,640
this is the freaking

1752
01:18:16,630 --> 01:18:10,320
yeah

1753
01:18:22,149 --> 01:18:19,110
what's going on there what is that

1754
01:18:23,270 --> 01:18:22,159
object in the background there

1755
01:18:25,270 --> 01:18:23,280
ooh

1756
01:18:27,590 --> 01:18:25,280
that's kind of like uh

1757
01:18:30,390 --> 01:18:27,600
resembles your case yeah it does that's

1758
01:18:32,630 --> 01:18:30,400
really cool east germany 82 or 83. i

1759
01:18:34,950 --> 01:18:32,640
wonder what the case is uh connected to

1760
01:18:39,350 --> 01:18:36,709
yeah um it

1761
01:18:41,750 --> 01:18:39,360
some of those do come with

1762
01:18:43,189 --> 01:18:41,760
the actual case um

1763
01:18:45,510 --> 01:18:43,199
some

1764
01:18:48,149 --> 01:18:45,520
not so much but i've tried yeah i just

1765
01:18:50,229 --> 01:18:48,159
found this website that has a bunch of

1766
01:18:52,709 --> 01:18:50,239
freaking pictures on it that's a really

1767
01:18:54,870 --> 01:18:52,719
cool one

1768
01:18:57,910 --> 01:18:54,880
and i kind of just got the best ones i

1769
01:18:59,430 --> 01:18:57,920
could get or find

1770
01:19:01,830 --> 01:18:59,440
so

1771
01:19:03,030 --> 01:19:01,840
that's pretty much it we're right now

1772
01:19:05,590 --> 01:19:03,040
we're just looking at all the different

1773
01:19:08,470 --> 01:19:05,600
weird stuff i found

1774
01:19:11,030 --> 01:19:08,480
there's a lot of weird stuff out there

1775
01:19:15,510 --> 01:19:11,040
but i have more

1776
01:19:19,110 --> 01:19:16,390
really

1777
01:19:23,270 --> 01:19:19,120
cool stuff because like some of the my

1778
01:19:26,149 --> 01:19:23,280
favorite parts of of doing this is just

1779
01:19:26,159 --> 01:19:30,630
and running into weird things

1780
01:19:35,750 --> 01:19:34,310
do uh do you follow isaac coy on twitter

1781
01:19:37,750 --> 01:19:35,760
i don't think so

1782
01:19:40,229 --> 01:19:37,760
he has been posting he's got this blog

1783
01:19:42,070 --> 01:19:40,239
where he just uploads scans of

1784
01:19:43,430 --> 01:19:42,080
every ufo magazine you can find from

1785
01:19:45,189 --> 01:19:43,440
every country

1786
01:19:47,350 --> 01:19:45,199
it's a really incredible

1787
01:19:48,790 --> 01:19:47,360
collection and i've i just i just found

1788
01:19:50,709 --> 01:19:48,800
him recently he's been posting a lot of

1789
01:19:51,990 --> 01:19:50,719
great stuff and uh

1790
01:19:53,510 --> 01:19:52,000
incidentally i was looking through his

1791
01:19:55,910 --> 01:19:53,520
archives and i found my old skeptical

1792
01:19:57,510 --> 01:19:55,920
magazine on there which is really really

1793
01:19:59,669 --> 01:19:57,520
like i don't even have all the copies of

1794
01:20:01,510 --> 01:19:59,679
that anymore but they're on there yeah

1795
01:20:03,590 --> 01:20:01,520
how's that going i don't recommend

1796
01:20:05,750 --> 01:20:03,600
looking at them but

1797
01:20:06,950 --> 01:20:05,760
still skeptical yeah

1798
01:20:08,950 --> 01:20:06,960
i'd say it's

1799
01:20:10,390 --> 01:20:08,960
it's a different perspective now we

1800
01:20:11,750 --> 01:20:10,400
talked about it a little bit last time

1801
01:20:13,030 --> 01:20:11,760
where i am

1802
01:20:14,870 --> 01:20:13,040
i had to take a step back from

1803
01:20:16,390 --> 01:20:14,880
everything i'd gotten

1804
01:20:18,709 --> 01:20:16,400
too far

1805
01:20:19,990 --> 01:20:18,719
in my own biases and

1806
01:20:22,229 --> 01:20:20,000
took a break walked away and then

1807
01:20:24,310 --> 01:20:22,239
started reapproaching the subject

1808
01:20:25,750 --> 01:20:24,320
from scratch i forgot everything i knew

1809
01:20:27,510 --> 01:20:25,760
and looked at it i started looking at

1810
01:20:29,030 --> 01:20:27,520
things case by case

1811
01:20:34,470 --> 01:20:29,040
now which is how i ended up finding the

1812
01:20:37,830 --> 01:20:36,070
so yeah i'm not too proud of those

1813
01:20:39,270 --> 01:20:37,840
magazines but they are out there it's

1814
01:20:43,350 --> 01:20:39,280
funny

1815
01:20:47,189 --> 01:20:45,510
is changing your mind or

1816
01:20:49,830 --> 01:20:47,199
brings you back in

1817
01:20:51,270 --> 01:20:49,840
kind of thing it absolutely did i mean

1818
01:20:53,430 --> 01:20:51,280
um

1819
01:20:54,790 --> 01:20:53,440
well like like i said i used to debunk

1820
01:20:56,950 --> 01:20:54,800
cases and stuff like that in that

1821
01:20:58,550 --> 01:20:56,960
magazine and um

1822
01:21:00,870 --> 01:20:58,560
i became disillusioned with it and

1823
01:21:02,390 --> 01:21:00,880
didn't want anything to do with it i um

1824
01:21:04,390 --> 01:21:02,400
some of the people i looked up to were

1825
01:21:05,750 --> 01:21:04,400
kind of disappointing me

1826
01:21:07,830 --> 01:21:05,760
just like yeah i'm done with this and

1827
01:21:09,750 --> 01:21:07,840
then kind of came back into it what was

1828
01:21:11,350 --> 01:21:09,760
it four or five months ago i think

1829
01:21:13,510 --> 01:21:11,360
with this case it's a case that's stuck

1830
01:21:15,830 --> 01:21:13,520
in the back of my mind for a long time

1831
01:21:17,910 --> 01:21:15,840
because of that uh

1832
01:21:19,830 --> 01:21:17,920
that magazine that i in my newest video

1833
01:21:21,350 --> 01:21:19,840
it's the third one that beam up the

1834
01:21:23,590 --> 01:21:21,360
outer connection out of grand rapids

1835
01:21:25,910 --> 01:21:23,600
which is where i live um right

1836
01:21:27,189 --> 01:21:25,920
i'd seen the cover of it as a small jpeg

1837
01:21:28,790 --> 01:21:27,199
floating around the internet but never

1838
01:21:29,910 --> 01:21:28,800
saw the contents and i wanted to know

1839
01:21:31,750 --> 01:21:29,920
more

1840
01:21:33,189 --> 01:21:31,760
so when i came back that was still in

1841
01:21:34,790 --> 01:21:33,199
the back of my mind and i was like yeah

1842
01:21:35,910 --> 01:21:34,800
i'm gonna look into this case i'm gonna

1843
01:21:37,350 --> 01:21:35,920
put everything

1844
01:21:39,110 --> 01:21:37,360
into this case

1845
01:21:39,910 --> 01:21:39,120
to begin with and see where i come up

1846
01:21:42,149 --> 01:21:39,920
and

1847
01:21:43,750 --> 01:21:42,159
now i feel confident that people do see

1848
01:21:44,709 --> 01:21:43,760
anomalous things

1849
01:21:45,910 --> 01:21:44,719
right

1850
01:21:47,910 --> 01:21:45,920
and that's i mean

1851
01:21:49,270 --> 01:21:47,920
that's really all you can do

1852
01:21:51,510 --> 01:21:49,280
it's like

1853
01:21:53,750 --> 01:21:51,520
as far as you can take it really

1854
01:21:56,550 --> 01:21:53,760
yeah you know at this point

1855
01:21:57,669 --> 01:21:56,560
so this is interesting i found this this

1856
01:21:59,830 --> 01:21:57,679
is a whole

1857
01:22:02,149 --> 01:21:59,840
like thing that the school put together

1858
01:22:04,550 --> 01:22:02,159
in like one of their like kind of

1859
01:22:05,910 --> 01:22:04,560
newsletter books

1860
01:22:09,270 --> 01:22:05,920
and this is

1861
01:22:10,790 --> 01:22:09,280
yeah describing like what this nun does

1862
01:22:12,470 --> 01:22:10,800
with their experiences can you imagine

1863
01:22:15,110 --> 01:22:12,480
an invitation to spend a weekend just

1864
01:22:17,590 --> 01:22:15,120
being you no classes uh basically the

1865
01:22:19,350 --> 01:22:17,600
encounter series initiated three years

1866
01:22:21,430 --> 01:22:19,360
ago has been developed to bring students

1867
01:22:23,430 --> 01:22:21,440
into contact with people they usually do

1868
01:22:26,390 --> 01:22:23,440
not meet during the past year black

1869
01:22:30,149 --> 01:22:26,400
power leader a classical harpsichordist

1870
01:22:33,510 --> 01:22:30,159
participated an economist and a cellist

1871
01:22:40,470 --> 01:22:35,030
yeah

1872
01:22:43,910 --> 01:22:41,910
a bunch of different people having

1873
01:22:49,669 --> 01:22:43,920
encounters and stuff and then this takes

1874
01:22:54,149 --> 01:22:51,030
this is pretty cool

1875
01:22:56,149 --> 01:22:54,159
yeah that this does sound cool

1876
01:22:58,229 --> 01:22:56,159
the humanoid is a survey of worldwide

1877
01:23:00,470 --> 01:22:58,239
reports of landings and unconventional

1878
01:23:02,629 --> 01:23:00,480
aerial objects in their alleged

1879
01:23:04,310 --> 01:23:02,639
occupants

1880
01:23:07,990 --> 01:23:04,320
got some big names there

1881
01:23:13,430 --> 01:23:10,629
i love the variation in um people's

1882
01:23:15,669 --> 01:23:13,440
description of occupants or entities and

1883
01:23:17,910 --> 01:23:15,679
stuff like that just yeah they were so

1884
01:23:20,149 --> 01:23:17,920
wild and all over the place for so long

1885
01:23:22,870 --> 01:23:20,159
up until we kind of like homogenized

1886
01:23:24,149 --> 01:23:22,880
everything into grays basically

1887
01:23:24,870 --> 01:23:24,159
right um

1888
01:23:27,590 --> 01:23:24,880
true

1889
01:23:29,430 --> 01:23:27,600
it really makes you wonder

1890
01:23:30,950 --> 01:23:29,440
about because like i don't i don't doubt

1891
01:23:32,790 --> 01:23:30,960
a lot of these people's experiences you

1892
01:23:34,390 --> 01:23:32,800
know like how could i who am i to do

1893
01:23:36,149 --> 01:23:34,400
that so right

1894
01:23:38,550 --> 01:23:36,159
what are they seeing and why are people

1895
01:23:40,229 --> 01:23:38,560
seeing such wildly different

1896
01:23:41,430 --> 01:23:40,239
things all over the place and does it

1897
01:23:43,990 --> 01:23:41,440
have to do

1898
01:23:45,510 --> 01:23:44,000
with how we perceive things or

1899
01:23:46,629 --> 01:23:45,520
you know you know what i mean it raises

1900
01:23:49,270 --> 01:23:46,639
a lot of questions and i think they're

1901
01:23:51,270 --> 01:23:49,280
interesting questions yeah

1902
01:23:52,550 --> 01:23:51,280
uh well i

1903
01:23:56,310 --> 01:23:52,560
it's

1904
01:23:59,030 --> 01:23:56,320
think of as far as people seeing

1905
01:24:00,950 --> 01:23:59,040
different things and when it gets really

1906
01:24:03,270 --> 01:24:00,960
like a lot of the experiences have

1907
01:24:05,669 --> 01:24:03,280
pretty fine details

1908
01:24:07,189 --> 01:24:05,679
as as well that are different

1909
01:24:10,310 --> 01:24:07,199
um and the only thing i can really

1910
01:24:11,990 --> 01:24:10,320
attribute that to is the fact that

1911
01:24:15,030 --> 01:24:12,000
everyone is different

1912
01:24:16,550 --> 01:24:15,040
yeah so maybe the experience

1913
01:24:18,629 --> 01:24:16,560
is somewhat

1914
01:24:21,110 --> 01:24:18,639
you know purely

1915
01:24:23,189 --> 01:24:21,120
relatable to the human psyche or

1916
01:24:25,030 --> 01:24:23,199
consciousness right so yeah are we

1917
01:24:26,870 --> 01:24:25,040
contributing to this experience somehow

1918
01:24:29,510 --> 01:24:26,880
but we don't realize that

1919
01:24:31,990 --> 01:24:29,520
it's a really interesting idea

1920
01:24:33,590 --> 01:24:32,000
yeah more so like because like you have

1921
01:24:35,030 --> 01:24:33,600
to if you're seeing stuff that you're

1922
01:24:38,149 --> 01:24:35,040
not familiar with or couldn't even

1923
01:24:39,669 --> 01:24:38,159
really you know comprehend

1924
01:24:42,070 --> 01:24:39,679
you try to kind of frame it into a

1925
01:24:43,189 --> 01:24:42,080
paradigm that you do understand so yeah

1926
01:24:45,990 --> 01:24:43,199
maybe that

1927
01:24:47,990 --> 01:24:46,000
comes if you're influencing it too

1928
01:24:49,750 --> 01:24:48,000
i actually um i have a story that i

1929
01:24:51,669 --> 01:24:49,760
think i can talk about if i don't

1930
01:24:54,149 --> 01:24:51,679
mention names um

1931
01:24:56,550 --> 01:24:54,159
how familiar are you with uh the hudson

1932
01:24:58,310 --> 01:24:56,560
valley flap in the 80s in new york

1933
01:24:59,990 --> 01:24:58,320
yeah i did a whole episode like when i

1934
01:25:01,750 --> 01:25:00,000
first started on that okay yeah it's one

1935
01:25:03,030 --> 01:25:01,760
of my one of my favorites um so you're

1936
01:25:05,030 --> 01:25:03,040
familiar with this

1937
01:25:06,550 --> 01:25:05,040
multiple people uh

1938
01:25:09,030 --> 01:25:06,560
talking about this experience where they

1939
01:25:10,870 --> 01:25:09,040
see the object and they think i wish i

1940
01:25:12,470 --> 01:25:10,880
could get a better look at that and it

1941
01:25:13,270 --> 01:25:12,480
moves towards them

1942
01:25:15,669 --> 01:25:13,280
yeah

1943
01:25:18,070 --> 01:25:15,679
so uh a friend of mine friend from from

1944
01:25:19,510 --> 01:25:18,080
way back from middle school um he got

1945
01:25:21,270 --> 01:25:19,520
married maybe

1946
01:25:23,030 --> 01:25:21,280
maybe like 10 years ago at a greek

1947
01:25:25,189 --> 01:25:23,040
orthodox church

1948
01:25:27,110 --> 01:25:25,199
um and the service had two priests

1949
01:25:28,790 --> 01:25:27,120
there's kind of the older established

1950
01:25:29,830 --> 01:25:28,800
one and there's a younger one i don't i

1951
01:25:31,110 --> 01:25:29,840
don't know how if it's like an

1952
01:25:32,470 --> 01:25:31,120
apprenticeship or

1953
01:25:34,709 --> 01:25:32,480
how that works but he was the younger

1954
01:25:37,030 --> 01:25:34,719
guy he became friends with my friend who

1955
01:25:38,709 --> 01:25:37,040
was married there um

1956
01:25:40,550 --> 01:25:38,719
and i just started talking to my friend

1957
01:25:42,470 --> 01:25:40,560
recently about getting back into ufos he

1958
01:25:44,310 --> 01:25:42,480
thinks it's interesting

1959
01:25:45,910 --> 01:25:44,320
and uh i started telling him about the

1960
01:25:47,990 --> 01:25:45,920
hudson valley case and specifically

1961
01:25:49,270 --> 01:25:48,000
those uh those claims those witness

1962
01:25:50,709 --> 01:25:49,280
claims he said

1963
01:25:52,470 --> 01:25:50,719
oh do you remember the younger priest

1964
01:25:55,270 --> 01:25:52,480
from my wedding um he was out

1965
01:25:57,189 --> 01:25:55,280
backpacking like dark sky national park

1966
01:25:59,669 --> 01:25:57,199
a while back with some friends and

1967
01:26:02,310 --> 01:25:59,679
they're all up watching satellites this

1968
01:26:04,470 --> 01:26:02,320
friend the priest he says just out of

1969
01:26:05,590 --> 01:26:04,480
the blue he says guys look at this

1970
01:26:07,830 --> 01:26:05,600
go right

1971
01:26:10,390 --> 01:26:07,840
go left in this what looked to be a

1972
01:26:12,310 --> 01:26:10,400
satellite would make right angle turns

1973
01:26:14,390 --> 01:26:12,320
well at the time he's making these

1974
01:26:15,750 --> 01:26:14,400
commands and he says come down

1975
01:26:17,110 --> 01:26:15,760
but then all of his friends got scared

1976
01:26:18,629 --> 01:26:17,120
and it shoots off

1977
01:26:21,830 --> 01:26:18,639
well this guy

1978
01:26:23,669 --> 01:26:21,840
not into ufos and specifically wouldn't

1979
01:26:26,550 --> 01:26:23,679
really know that

1980
01:26:27,350 --> 01:26:26,560
facet of uh ufo sightings and stuff like

1981
01:26:31,590 --> 01:26:27,360
that

1982
01:26:33,110 --> 01:26:31,600
who doesn't he does this guy doesn't

1983
01:26:34,550 --> 01:26:33,120
know me dylan

1984
01:26:36,950 --> 01:26:34,560
sorry i mentioned his name my friend

1985
01:26:37,990 --> 01:26:36,960
dylan mentions this story to me just out

1986
01:26:39,189 --> 01:26:38,000
of the blue like that i've been trying

1987
01:26:40,870 --> 01:26:39,199
to get a hold of him because i want to

1988
01:26:42,790 --> 01:26:40,880
talk to him more about that i just

1989
01:26:44,470 --> 01:26:42,800
thought that was really

1990
01:26:45,590 --> 01:26:44,480
where did that impulse come from you

1991
01:26:47,750 --> 01:26:45,600
know because he doesn't even have an

1992
01:26:49,189 --> 01:26:47,760
explanation for it he just saw and knew

1993
01:26:51,910 --> 01:26:49,199
that he could do that

1994
01:26:54,470 --> 01:26:51,920
and did it in real time and it these

1995
01:26:56,390 --> 01:26:54,480
this object followed along with these

1996
01:26:58,390 --> 01:26:56,400
kind of commands he was giving but it

1997
01:27:00,709 --> 01:26:58,400
really reminded me that uh that

1998
01:27:02,550 --> 01:27:00,719
phenomenon with the hudson valley flap

1999
01:27:04,070 --> 01:27:02,560
super interesting and it's not something

2000
01:27:06,070 --> 01:27:04,080
you think you typically think of when

2001
01:27:07,990 --> 01:27:06,080
you think of ufo cases kind of like what

2002
01:27:11,189 --> 01:27:08,000
we were talking about earlier right

2003
01:27:13,189 --> 01:27:11,199
these little peripheral experiences that

2004
01:27:15,270 --> 01:27:13,199
aren't part of kind of the pop culture

2005
01:27:18,790 --> 01:27:15,280
ufo experience it it lends some

2006
01:27:21,669 --> 01:27:18,800
credibility to it in my opinion right

2007
01:27:23,910 --> 01:27:21,679
pretty interesting that kind of gets me

2008
01:27:25,669 --> 01:27:23,920
thinking about what i was

2009
01:27:26,790 --> 01:27:25,679
kind of touching on not too long ago

2010
01:27:29,910 --> 01:27:26,800
about

2011
01:27:32,629 --> 01:27:29,920
you know being able to project

2012
01:27:34,790 --> 01:27:32,639
light via consciousness you know

2013
01:27:35,830 --> 01:27:34,800
um and i've found

2014
01:27:37,990 --> 01:27:35,840
you know

2015
01:27:40,870 --> 01:27:38,000
studies done

2016
01:27:43,669 --> 01:27:40,880
where photons are changing

2017
01:27:45,830 --> 01:27:43,679
oh yeah double slit experiment yeah

2018
01:27:47,910 --> 01:27:45,840
based on like

2019
01:27:50,390 --> 01:27:47,920
yeah so that that one is just like

2020
01:27:50,930 --> 01:27:50,400
matter i believe or affecting

2021
01:27:52,070 --> 01:27:50,940
yeah

2022
01:27:54,390 --> 01:27:52,080
[Music]

2023
01:27:55,910 --> 01:27:54,400
information go or yeah like a light

2024
01:27:57,830 --> 01:27:55,920
going somewhere or something or

2025
01:27:59,510 --> 01:27:57,840
information going somewhere

2026
01:28:00,629 --> 01:27:59,520
and you're supposed to just concentrate

2027
01:28:03,110 --> 01:28:00,639
on it and

2028
01:28:05,270 --> 01:28:03,120
and that changes or whatever that's kind

2029
01:28:07,270 --> 01:28:05,280
of the reason why i always ask uh do

2030
01:28:08,870 --> 01:28:07,280
ufos land where there's nowhere around

2031
01:28:11,189 --> 01:28:08,880
to see them kind of like that old

2032
01:28:12,310 --> 01:28:11,199
thought experiment but dude

2033
01:28:14,070 --> 01:28:12,320
because so

2034
01:28:15,350 --> 01:28:14,080
so much of a big part of all these

2035
01:28:18,070 --> 01:28:15,360
sightings at least the ones that are

2036
01:28:20,709 --> 01:28:18,080
credible to me seem like

2037
01:28:22,310 --> 01:28:20,719
they want to be seen whatever it is

2038
01:28:24,629 --> 01:28:22,320
and it's an experience that people are

2039
01:28:25,990 --> 01:28:24,639
having yeah so

2040
01:28:27,430 --> 01:28:26,000
a lot of times when people talk about

2041
01:28:29,590 --> 01:28:27,440
like oh i'm gonna set up cameras and

2042
01:28:30,870 --> 01:28:29,600
just watch the night sky i'm like part

2043
01:28:32,070 --> 01:28:30,880
of me is thinking are you going to see

2044
01:28:34,229 --> 01:28:32,080
anything

2045
01:28:35,990 --> 01:28:34,239
you know what i mean

2046
01:28:39,750 --> 01:28:36,000
on the other hand with the case that i'm

2047
01:28:41,110 --> 01:28:39,760
working on in jack the radar operator

2048
01:28:42,629 --> 01:28:41,120
he was seeing them in kind of a

2049
01:28:44,070 --> 01:28:42,639
non-traditional sense you know with a

2050
01:28:47,110 --> 01:28:44,080
radar

2051
01:28:49,430 --> 01:28:47,120
but he believes very strongly that

2052
01:28:50,870 --> 01:28:49,440
whatever that was was aware of the way

2053
01:28:52,709 --> 01:28:50,880
he was seeing them

2054
01:28:53,750 --> 01:28:52,719
and they were responding that way by

2055
01:28:55,270 --> 01:28:53,760
sending back

2056
01:28:57,590 --> 01:28:55,280
larger spikes he thought maybe they were

2057
01:28:59,750 --> 01:28:57,600
assisting in the way that the radar sees

2058
01:29:01,430 --> 01:28:59,760
which is microwaves being sent back to a

2059
01:29:03,830 --> 01:29:01,440
dish right right right

2060
01:29:05,590 --> 01:29:03,840
that could possibly be i mean and a lot

2061
01:29:07,669 --> 01:29:05,600
of these radar reports that you listen

2062
01:29:10,790 --> 01:29:07,679
to and accounts of it

2063
01:29:14,870 --> 01:29:12,950
they you know like the

2064
01:29:16,790 --> 01:29:14,880
washington dc one for instance one

2065
01:29:19,189 --> 01:29:16,800
person described them as having a

2066
01:29:20,550 --> 01:29:19,199
creeping a creeping

2067
01:29:23,189 --> 01:29:20,560
kind of thing you know where they're

2068
01:29:26,790 --> 01:29:23,199
creeping up and then they disappear

2069
01:29:28,310 --> 01:29:26,800
right as soon as like uh the plane

2070
01:29:30,390 --> 01:29:28,320
you know the the

2071
01:29:31,990 --> 01:29:30,400
whatever commercial airliner

2072
01:29:33,590 --> 01:29:32,000
or fighter jet or whatever gets close to

2073
01:29:34,470 --> 01:29:33,600
it then they disappear

2074
01:29:37,350 --> 01:29:34,480
um

2075
01:29:38,709 --> 01:29:37,360
and there's al most accounts are like

2076
01:29:41,270 --> 01:29:38,719
that

2077
01:29:43,189 --> 01:29:41,280
which is so interesting too because like

2078
01:29:44,149 --> 01:29:43,199
the way our radar sees and the way we

2079
01:29:45,990 --> 01:29:44,159
see

2080
01:29:48,870 --> 01:29:46,000
in kind of like a really reductionist

2081
01:29:50,709 --> 01:29:48,880
simplistic way to think of it is similar

2082
01:29:52,550 --> 01:29:50,719
you know we have uh

2083
01:29:54,229 --> 01:29:52,560
you know one part of the electromagnetic

2084
01:29:56,229 --> 01:29:54,239
magnetic spectrum bouncing back into our

2085
01:29:58,229 --> 01:29:56,239
eyes that's how we're seeing meanwhile a

2086
01:29:59,669 --> 01:29:58,239
radar is using microwaves which is a

2087
01:30:01,910 --> 01:29:59,679
different chunk of the spectrum but it's

2088
01:30:04,470 --> 01:30:01,920
still kind of the same

2089
01:30:05,669 --> 01:30:04,480
like idea and

2090
01:30:07,750 --> 01:30:05,679
these things that people are seeing seem

2091
01:30:08,950 --> 01:30:07,760
to be aware with aware of that and

2092
01:30:10,870 --> 01:30:08,960
interact

2093
01:30:12,470 --> 01:30:10,880
in that way rather than with

2094
01:30:14,390 --> 01:30:12,480
you know site it's just something to

2095
01:30:16,790 --> 01:30:14,400
think about it's really interesting and

2096
01:30:18,149 --> 01:30:16,800
the way he spoke to me he was just very

2097
01:30:20,550 --> 01:30:18,159
convinced that

2098
01:30:22,870 --> 01:30:20,560
whatever those things were were aware of

2099
01:30:24,790 --> 01:30:22,880
the way he was watching them so they'd

2100
01:30:27,350 --> 01:30:24,800
line up in shapes

2101
01:30:28,870 --> 01:30:27,360
you know but from top down they'd form

2102
01:30:30,550 --> 01:30:28,880
like triangles and stuff like that but

2103
01:30:31,830 --> 01:30:30,560
on different levels but since he was

2104
01:30:33,830 --> 01:30:31,840
looking at it

2105
01:30:34,950 --> 01:30:33,840
kind of in a top-down way they're

2106
01:30:36,149 --> 01:30:34,960
forming

2107
01:30:37,030 --> 01:30:36,159
for him

2108
01:30:38,070 --> 01:30:37,040
wow

2109
01:30:39,270 --> 01:30:38,080
yeah some

2110
01:30:40,790 --> 01:30:39,280
he's told me a little bit more but i'm

2111
01:30:42,229 --> 01:30:40,800
not allowed to talk about it yet i have

2112
01:30:45,510 --> 01:30:42,239
to wait till this summer

2113
01:30:48,229 --> 01:30:45,520
that'll give me the freaking creeps

2114
01:30:50,149 --> 01:30:48,239
so in in

2115
01:30:51,990 --> 01:30:50,159
if you listen to the 911 tape when he

2116
01:30:54,070 --> 01:30:52,000
says oh my god that's kind of like the

2117
01:30:56,709 --> 01:30:54,080
big highlight of that tape

2118
01:30:58,390 --> 01:30:56,719
something like that's happening i

2119
01:31:00,790 --> 01:30:58,400
yeah i have to wait till the summer so i

2120
01:31:02,550 --> 01:31:00,800
can talk more about it unfortunately no

2121
01:31:05,750 --> 01:31:02,560
that's okay you you gotta you gotta

2122
01:31:07,590 --> 01:31:05,760
respect the wishes i get it yeah

2123
01:31:09,189 --> 01:31:07,600
but uh it's it's definitely interesting

2124
01:31:12,390 --> 01:31:09,199
and it's a it's an aspect i think more

2125
01:31:13,750 --> 01:31:12,400
people should look at too the uh

2126
01:31:15,910 --> 01:31:13,760
the fact that the

2127
01:31:18,550 --> 01:31:15,920
these things do seem to interact and

2128
01:31:20,709 --> 01:31:18,560
want attention in certain circumstances

2129
01:31:21,910 --> 01:31:20,719
it's almost it's an experience for the

2130
01:31:24,390 --> 01:31:21,920
witness

2131
01:31:26,310 --> 01:31:24,400
and um the different ways that they do

2132
01:31:27,750 --> 01:31:26,320
that the different means of maybe

2133
01:31:30,870 --> 01:31:27,760
communication

2134
01:31:33,189 --> 01:31:30,880
just like uh

2135
01:31:34,390 --> 01:31:33,199
written language or speech but you know

2136
01:31:35,990 --> 01:31:34,400
animals communicate with each other

2137
01:31:37,750 --> 01:31:36,000
through different means

2138
01:31:39,350 --> 01:31:37,760
yeah and

2139
01:31:40,950 --> 01:31:39,360
you know we're always thinking from kind

2140
01:31:42,870 --> 01:31:40,960
of a human perspective

2141
01:31:45,110 --> 01:31:42,880
and placing those things we're observing

2142
01:31:46,470 --> 01:31:45,120
so if you if you take a step back from

2143
01:31:48,470 --> 01:31:46,480
that

2144
01:31:50,070 --> 01:31:48,480
these things seem to be interacting um

2145
01:31:51,910 --> 01:31:50,080
valet talked about it in that paper i

2146
01:31:54,149 --> 01:31:51,920
think i sent you a while ago

2147
01:31:55,990 --> 01:31:54,159
about kind of semiotic communication and

2148
01:31:58,950 --> 01:31:56,000
different different

2149
01:32:00,629 --> 01:31:58,960
ideas of communication yeah

2150
01:32:01,830 --> 01:32:00,639
it's an interesting thread that's why i

2151
01:32:05,110 --> 01:32:01,840
don't discount

2152
01:32:07,189 --> 01:32:05,120
dreams or like the dream i had or

2153
01:32:09,590 --> 01:32:07,199
you know the the

2154
01:32:10,830 --> 01:32:09,600
the main

2155
01:32:14,229 --> 01:32:10,840
you know the one

2156
01:32:17,270 --> 01:32:14,239
i've i have one experience that uh like

2157
01:32:20,390 --> 01:32:17,280
was is beyond just seeing things and

2158
01:32:24,629 --> 01:32:20,400
really screwed with me you know for sure

2159
01:32:25,430 --> 01:32:24,639
and you know it involved seeing two

2160
01:32:27,590 --> 01:32:25,440
uh

2161
01:32:30,470 --> 01:32:27,600
big white

2162
01:32:31,430 --> 01:32:30,480
um things one sideway sideways teardrop

2163
01:32:32,870 --> 01:32:31,440
thing

2164
01:32:35,750 --> 01:32:32,880
and the

2165
01:32:37,990 --> 01:32:35,760
few days later it was the same texture

2166
01:32:39,510 --> 01:32:38,000
um they both had like a border around it

2167
01:32:41,669 --> 01:32:39,520
that seemed like it was in constant

2168
01:32:42,870 --> 01:32:41,679
motion the texture inside the shape was

2169
01:32:44,070 --> 01:32:42,880
like dense

2170
01:32:46,629 --> 01:32:44,080
foggy

2171
01:32:47,750 --> 01:32:46,639
bright white that was like in a constant

2172
01:32:51,750 --> 01:32:47,760
motion

2173
01:32:53,510 --> 01:32:51,760
um and each time they were

2174
01:32:54,709 --> 01:32:53,520
there's no doubt

2175
01:32:57,990 --> 01:32:54,719
that

2176
01:33:00,390 --> 01:32:58,000
what they did was done

2177
01:33:02,870 --> 01:33:00,400
in a place that i would see it

2178
01:33:06,229 --> 01:33:02,880
right for sure you know the one was i

2179
01:33:07,270 --> 01:33:06,239
was literally walking into my back door

2180
01:33:09,910 --> 01:33:07,280
and it was

2181
01:33:12,629 --> 01:33:09,920
like right above the roof you know like

2182
01:33:15,590 --> 01:33:12,639
right there boom right

2183
01:33:17,590 --> 01:33:15,600
um in and out and then a few days later

2184
01:33:19,990 --> 01:33:17,600
this one is like kind of reminds me of

2185
01:33:21,750 --> 01:33:20,000
what you were saying i was looking at

2186
01:33:24,390 --> 01:33:21,760
the garage and

2187
01:33:26,709 --> 01:33:24,400
a zip of light comes over my shoulder

2188
01:33:28,629 --> 01:33:26,719
right and i'm thinking

2189
01:33:30,629 --> 01:33:28,639
or i knew

2190
01:33:31,750 --> 01:33:30,639
that i was going to see the same thing

2191
01:33:32,470 --> 01:33:31,760
again

2192
01:33:34,070 --> 01:33:32,480
that's

2193
01:33:36,550 --> 01:33:34,080
what i had to do looking in that

2194
01:33:39,110 --> 01:33:36,560
direction and she's intuition

2195
01:33:41,430 --> 01:33:39,120
yeah yeah that's that's what i'm

2196
01:33:43,430 --> 01:33:41,440
most curious about and i um when i talk

2197
01:33:45,110 --> 01:33:43,440
to people i ask them about that

2198
01:33:46,870 --> 01:33:45,120
that intuition like

2199
01:33:47,990 --> 01:33:46,880
do you know it like your inner monologue

2200
01:33:50,870 --> 01:33:48,000
or is it just

2201
01:33:53,350 --> 01:33:50,880
a feeling or is it like a memory evac

2202
01:33:54,950 --> 01:33:53,360
like that like the sensation of it is

2203
01:33:55,830 --> 01:33:54,960
what i can't personally wrap my head

2204
01:33:57,510 --> 01:33:55,840
around because i haven't had an

2205
01:33:58,870 --> 01:33:57,520
experience that way but it's really

2206
01:33:59,669 --> 01:33:58,880
interesting to me so i always try to

2207
01:34:01,189 --> 01:33:59,679
like

2208
01:34:03,430 --> 01:34:01,199
kind of suss out

2209
01:34:04,790 --> 01:34:03,440
what i felt that experience is like

2210
01:34:07,110 --> 01:34:04,800
the second time there would have felt

2211
01:34:08,870 --> 01:34:07,120
like it was it was just felt like uh

2212
01:34:13,030 --> 01:34:08,880
like

2213
01:34:14,870 --> 01:34:13,040
an intuition

2214
01:34:16,310 --> 01:34:14,880
right yeah i had didn't have to think

2215
01:34:18,070 --> 01:34:16,320
about it or anything but it was even

2216
01:34:19,350 --> 01:34:18,080
more than intuition it was more just

2217
01:34:22,390 --> 01:34:19,360
like knowing

2218
01:34:25,510 --> 01:34:22,400
um that you know how you pull out your

2219
01:34:28,629 --> 01:34:25,520
phone and you know that like a muscle

2220
01:34:30,070 --> 01:34:28,639
memory kind of thing like whatever

2221
01:34:30,950 --> 01:34:30,080
reaction almost

2222
01:34:32,550 --> 01:34:30,960
right

2223
01:34:35,430 --> 01:34:32,560
yeah i love that stuff

2224
01:34:36,790 --> 01:34:35,440
it was really it was really bizarre yeah

2225
01:34:40,870 --> 01:34:36,800
because it's it's more common than you

2226
01:34:42,870 --> 01:34:40,880
think um the issue though is that

2227
01:34:44,149 --> 01:34:42,880
the people who even do report ufo

2228
01:34:46,070 --> 01:34:44,159
reports

2229
01:34:47,189 --> 01:34:46,080
how likely are they to mention something

2230
01:34:48,470 --> 01:34:47,199
like that

2231
01:34:49,590 --> 01:34:48,480
you know what i mean

2232
01:34:50,790 --> 01:34:49,600
because

2233
01:34:51,990 --> 01:34:50,800
you know like you take your average

2234
01:34:54,149 --> 01:34:52,000
person off the street and you tell them

2235
01:34:56,229 --> 01:34:54,159
that they're like oh okay yeah that's

2236
01:34:57,990 --> 01:34:56,239
that's wacko

2237
01:35:00,790 --> 01:34:58,000
which like yeah from our everyday

2238
01:35:02,550 --> 01:35:00,800
perspective sure it is really odd

2239
01:35:04,310 --> 01:35:02,560
but well

2240
01:35:05,510 --> 01:35:04,320
it's it's a little more common than you

2241
01:35:08,629 --> 01:35:05,520
think

2242
01:35:09,990 --> 01:35:08,639
yeah that reminds me of um the high

2243
01:35:12,870 --> 01:35:10,000
strangeness

2244
01:35:14,550 --> 01:35:12,880
episode i did with that was pretty much

2245
01:35:18,149 --> 01:35:14,560
built around

2246
01:35:20,229 --> 01:35:18,159
a high strangeness document

2247
01:35:22,950 --> 01:35:20,239
that was very interesting

2248
01:35:25,590 --> 01:35:22,960
um off of nsa's website

2249
01:35:28,390 --> 01:35:25,600
oh really um so

2250
01:35:29,669 --> 01:35:28,400
yeah i'll actually bring it up i love

2251
01:35:31,030 --> 01:35:29,679
how strange this stuff it's so

2252
01:35:31,990 --> 01:35:31,040
interesting

2253
01:35:36,950 --> 01:35:32,000
yeah

2254
01:35:40,629 --> 01:35:38,709
if i can make this bigger that would be

2255
01:35:43,750 --> 01:35:40,639
great

2256
01:35:45,990 --> 01:35:43,760
yeah okay so the

2257
01:35:49,189 --> 01:35:46,000
ufos in the intelligence community blind

2258
01:35:51,750 --> 01:35:49,199
spot to surprise or deceptive data the

2259
01:35:53,990 --> 01:35:51,760
implications of the ufo phenomenon

2260
01:35:56,149 --> 01:35:54,000
um go beyond the particular phenomenon

2261
01:35:58,950 --> 01:35:56,159
itself the human incapacity to

2262
01:35:59,910 --> 01:35:58,960
objectively process such data

2263
01:36:00,950 --> 01:35:59,920
um

2264
01:36:03,109 --> 01:36:00,960
and then i'll

2265
01:36:04,070 --> 01:36:03,119
i'm going to share this in the chat but

2266
01:36:05,189 --> 01:36:04,080
yeah

2267
01:36:09,590 --> 01:36:05,199
um

2268
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:12,310
all right

2269
01:36:15,750 --> 01:36:14,070
so but when it is realized the strange

2270
01:36:17,109 --> 01:36:15,760
nature of the phenomenon it goes into

2271
01:36:18,790 --> 01:36:17,119
shock the mind likes to live in a

2272
01:36:22,070 --> 01:36:18,800
comfortable world where it feels it

2273
01:36:23,350 --> 01:36:22,080
knows what to expect and that is not too

2274
01:36:24,790 --> 01:36:23,360
threatening either physically or

2275
01:36:27,270 --> 01:36:24,800
psychologically

2276
01:36:29,669 --> 01:36:27,280
unusual dispels the comfortable illusion

2277
01:36:31,510 --> 01:36:29,679
that the mind is created the shock tears

2278
01:36:33,590 --> 01:36:31,520
at the very mooring of the human

2279
01:36:35,350 --> 01:36:33,600
psychological structure it protects

2280
01:36:36,870 --> 01:36:35,360
itself against an intrusive and

2281
01:36:39,350 --> 01:36:36,880
threatening reality the mind will begin

2282
01:36:41,830 --> 01:36:39,360
to add imagination and interpretation to

2283
01:36:43,350 --> 01:36:41,840
the incoming data um to make it more

2284
01:36:44,709 --> 01:36:43,360
acceptable we were just talking about

2285
01:36:46,790 --> 01:36:44,719
that right

2286
01:36:48,550 --> 01:36:46,800
since the mind is doing all this in

2287
01:36:50,550 --> 01:36:48,560
haste some of the hurriedly added

2288
01:36:52,550 --> 01:36:50,560
details and suggestions

2289
01:36:54,149 --> 01:36:52,560
um tumble over one another and

2290
01:36:56,310 --> 01:36:54,159
contradict one another in a bizarre

2291
01:36:58,629 --> 01:36:56,320
fashion

2292
01:37:01,030 --> 01:36:58,639
once the mind has constructed a safe

2293
01:37:03,590 --> 01:37:01,040
framework for the new information it may

2294
01:37:05,590 --> 01:37:03,600
again peek out and collect some more

2295
01:37:08,070 --> 01:37:05,600
objective data

2296
01:37:09,750 --> 01:37:08,080
but then

2297
01:37:11,590 --> 01:37:09,760
this is interesting

2298
01:37:14,470 --> 01:37:11,600
this part because

2299
01:37:15,990 --> 01:37:14,480
so the initial document i had

2300
01:37:17,510 --> 01:37:16,000
wasn't this one

2301
01:37:19,030 --> 01:37:17,520
it and

2302
01:37:20,550 --> 01:37:19,040
it was the same one but this was

2303
01:37:23,430 --> 01:37:20,560
actually blacked out

2304
01:37:25,109 --> 01:37:23,440
it wasn't crosstalk you know so i did

2305
01:37:27,109 --> 01:37:25,119
more digging and found this one on the

2306
01:37:29,189 --> 01:37:27,119
nsa website

2307
01:37:30,149 --> 01:37:29,199
and it's not blacked out

2308
01:37:31,430 --> 01:37:30,159
so

2309
01:37:33,109 --> 01:37:31,440
no that you're seeing that it was

2310
01:37:35,270 --> 01:37:33,119
supposed to be blocked out

2311
01:37:36,950 --> 01:37:35,280
within the past few years a young air

2312
01:37:38,629 --> 01:37:36,960
force technician was engaged in first

2313
01:37:40,149 --> 01:37:38,639
level traffic analysis and intercept

2314
01:37:42,310 --> 01:37:40,159
processing against the soviet bloc

2315
01:37:44,390 --> 01:37:42,320
countries when the following took place

2316
01:37:46,790 --> 01:37:44,400
block country began to report a radar

2317
01:37:48,149 --> 01:37:46,800
track of high flying fast-moving object

2318
01:37:50,709 --> 01:37:48,159
with an erratic flight pattern

2319
01:37:52,950 --> 01:37:50,719
occasionally moved against the wind

2320
01:37:55,910 --> 01:37:52,960
and that's a repeating thing too against

2321
01:37:58,229 --> 01:37:55,920
the wind the block reports uh began

2322
01:37:59,990 --> 01:37:58,239
reporting the object as a balloon

2323
01:38:01,109 --> 01:38:00,000
what's interesting here is how balloon

2324
01:38:03,430 --> 01:38:01,119
is written

2325
01:38:04,470 --> 01:38:03,440
because nobody knows who wrote this

2326
01:38:05,750 --> 01:38:04,480
right

2327
01:38:08,950 --> 01:38:05,760
um

2328
01:38:10,470 --> 01:38:08,960
bailey

2329
01:38:12,310 --> 01:38:10,480
uh valet

2330
01:38:14,310 --> 01:38:12,320
because but that's

2331
01:38:17,510 --> 01:38:14,320
that's not a correct assumption it's

2332
01:38:18,950 --> 01:38:17,520
just his name was in here so it was yeah

2333
01:38:20,870 --> 01:38:18,960
well it refers to it but how would he

2334
01:38:23,590 --> 01:38:20,880
say balloon

2335
01:38:25,910 --> 01:38:23,600
that accent

2336
01:38:29,030 --> 01:38:25,920
balloon balloon balloon

2337
01:38:33,910 --> 01:38:30,320
anyways

2338
01:38:36,870 --> 01:38:33,920
[Laughter]

2339
01:38:38,950 --> 01:38:36,880
uh within the american processing yeah

2340
01:38:41,350 --> 01:38:38,960
the airmen noticed that everyone was

2341
01:38:43,270 --> 01:38:41,360
more edgy and silent than usual he said

2342
01:38:44,629 --> 01:38:43,280
even the chatter was being treated as

2343
01:38:46,950 --> 01:38:44,639
top secret

2344
01:38:49,350 --> 01:38:46,960
and as for clarifications

2345
01:38:51,750 --> 01:38:49,360
of the data he got aggressive and

2346
01:38:52,790 --> 01:38:51,760
distracted responses

2347
01:38:57,590 --> 01:38:52,800
interesting

2348
01:38:59,430 --> 01:38:57,600
this is cool too a select group of

2349
01:39:01,430 --> 01:38:59,440
analysts

2350
01:39:04,870 --> 01:39:01,440
a special surprise alert team

2351
01:39:07,430 --> 01:39:04,880
responsible directly to js jcs in the

2352
01:39:09,430 --> 01:39:07,440
highest levels of intelligence community

2353
01:39:13,830 --> 01:39:09,440
and intensively train them further in

2354
01:39:15,830 --> 01:39:13,840
the art of processing surprise material

2355
01:39:17,990 --> 01:39:15,840
give high-level military officers who

2356
01:39:19,669 --> 01:39:18,000
are responsible for strategic decisions

2357
01:39:21,030 --> 01:39:19,679
intensive training and objective

2358
01:39:23,030 --> 01:39:21,040
handling

2359
01:39:25,030 --> 01:39:23,040
it's a material

2360
01:39:26,870 --> 01:39:25,040
what would that training look like

2361
01:39:29,030 --> 01:39:26,880
yeah i don't know jumping out and

2362
01:39:31,270 --> 01:39:29,040
scaring them all the time yeah until

2363
01:39:33,750 --> 01:39:31,280
they're desensitized i was trying to

2364
01:39:35,350 --> 01:39:33,760
look into this but i didn't get very far

2365
01:39:37,030 --> 01:39:35,360
the upset problem

2366
01:39:39,109 --> 01:39:37,040
solving the

2367
01:39:41,189 --> 01:39:39,119
uh operation security basically is what

2368
01:39:42,870 --> 01:39:41,199
that is the problem solving team

2369
01:39:46,629 --> 01:39:42,880
would probably be the most effective

2370
01:39:49,270 --> 01:39:46,639
vehicle for such analytic teams

2371
01:39:55,830 --> 01:39:52,149
so i want to get to the

2372
01:39:58,470 --> 01:39:55,840
high strangeness part

2373
01:40:01,990 --> 01:39:58,480
so this is you should read this all when

2374
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:05,189
it's very good

2375
01:40:05,199 --> 01:40:08,470
but

2376
01:40:12,790 --> 01:40:10,950
here it is the pattern of objective and

2377
01:40:15,030 --> 01:40:12,800
speculative material during observation

2378
01:40:18,550 --> 01:40:15,040
of unusual data

2379
01:40:21,109 --> 01:40:18,560
so this high strangeness this strangest

2380
01:40:22,709 --> 01:40:21,119
index i'll get to get to the point so we

2381
01:40:25,109 --> 01:40:22,719
can just look at this part

2382
01:40:29,830 --> 01:40:25,119
um and it talks about how

2383
01:40:36,070 --> 01:40:32,629
right the less people yeah yeah

2384
01:40:38,470 --> 01:40:36,080
which like i get um i wish that that

2385
01:40:40,629 --> 01:40:38,480
could change obviously because then we'd

2386
01:40:42,629 --> 01:40:40,639
get a lot more information but

2387
01:40:45,669 --> 01:40:42,639
yeah because it's probably the could be

2388
01:40:47,910 --> 01:40:45,679
the most crucial information yeah

2389
01:40:48,629 --> 01:40:47,920
but this yeah that was interesting so

2390
01:40:56,070 --> 01:40:48,639
the

2391
01:40:57,830 --> 01:40:56,080
now strangeness index uh in itself

2392
01:40:58,870 --> 01:40:57,840
sounds really familiar like what is the

2393
01:41:01,669 --> 01:40:58,880
metric

2394
01:41:03,270 --> 01:41:01,679
for that how are they i feel like um i

2395
01:41:05,590 --> 01:41:03,280
don't know

2396
01:41:07,590 --> 01:41:05,600
well that valet did write that paper

2397
01:41:09,350 --> 01:41:07,600
what was it called income measurability

2398
01:41:11,189 --> 01:41:09,360
and nice strange

2399
01:41:13,109 --> 01:41:11,199
had a very long title but he kind of

2400
01:41:15,350 --> 01:41:13,119
goes into that and i wonder if that was

2401
01:41:17,109 --> 01:41:15,360
kind of the basis for that metric which

2402
01:41:18,870 --> 01:41:17,119
is there's more science leading back to

2403
01:41:20,149 --> 01:41:18,880
jack valley being at least involved in

2404
01:41:21,990 --> 01:41:20,159
this paper

2405
01:41:23,430 --> 01:41:22,000
yeah that's true i wish i could remember

2406
01:41:26,790 --> 01:41:23,440
the name of that paper such a long

2407
01:41:29,590 --> 01:41:28,229
i feel like i sent it to you not too

2408
01:41:33,189 --> 01:41:29,600
long ago

2409
01:41:37,669 --> 01:41:35,430
document with the white sparkling fire

2410
01:41:39,669 --> 01:41:37,679
could be magnesium going off as it was

2411
01:41:42,390 --> 01:41:39,679
used commonly with thorium to coat

2412
01:41:44,870 --> 01:41:42,400
metals like they said in the document i

2413
01:41:48,550 --> 01:41:44,880
think used in light and lighting

2414
01:41:49,590 --> 01:41:48,560
possibly a chemical reaction set it off

2415
01:41:52,709 --> 01:41:49,600
so maybe

2416
01:41:53,990 --> 01:41:52,719
maybe it's the private experiment part

2417
01:41:56,310 --> 01:41:54,000
of that

2418
01:42:01,270 --> 01:41:56,320
or the crank part just an elaborate

2419
01:42:03,510 --> 01:42:01,280
drink yeah very strange um you know

2420
01:42:05,669 --> 01:42:03,520
what's interesting about

2421
01:42:07,430 --> 01:42:05,679
like all these crashes and stuff i

2422
01:42:09,270 --> 01:42:07,440
should say this i guess since it's crash

2423
01:42:10,390 --> 01:42:09,280
week i should say what i've learned

2424
01:42:13,510 --> 01:42:10,400
about

2425
01:42:15,750 --> 01:42:13,520
documents and crashes

2426
01:42:18,229 --> 01:42:15,760
because i've went through all 30

2427
01:42:20,310 --> 01:42:18,239
districts and looked at

2428
01:42:23,350 --> 01:42:20,320
all the documents

2429
01:42:26,070 --> 01:42:23,360
you know everyone and new mexico alone

2430
01:42:27,430 --> 01:42:26,080
is over 700. the other ones are about

2431
01:42:29,109 --> 01:42:27,440
100 here

2432
01:42:32,149 --> 01:42:29,119
you know 90 there

2433
01:42:34,470 --> 01:42:32,159
50 there 200 here you know

2434
01:42:36,070 --> 01:42:34,480
um and they all have

2435
01:42:38,229 --> 01:42:36,080
different crashes

2436
01:42:40,070 --> 01:42:38,239
in them whether it be

2437
01:42:42,149 --> 01:42:40,080
and they follow them all up

2438
01:42:43,669 --> 01:42:42,159
to be honest and find out that it's a

2439
01:42:46,709 --> 01:42:43,679
meteorite or

2440
01:42:49,510 --> 01:42:46,719
they don't find anything they say or

2441
01:42:51,830 --> 01:42:49,520
um you know it's a part of a

2442
01:42:52,870 --> 01:42:51,840
a plane that something broke off it or

2443
01:42:54,550 --> 01:42:52,880
whatever

2444
01:42:58,229 --> 01:42:54,560
sure

2445
01:43:00,390 --> 01:42:58,239
every time

2446
01:43:02,070 --> 01:43:00,400
you know when they at least you know

2447
01:43:05,910 --> 01:43:02,080
give somewhat of the result it's

2448
01:43:09,590 --> 01:43:07,990
and you read john keele's book like i

2449
01:43:12,310 --> 01:43:09,600
don't know if you have operation trojan

2450
01:43:13,990 --> 01:43:12,320
horse like i haven't yet it's not it's

2451
01:43:14,709 --> 01:43:14,000
in my stack

2452
01:43:16,629 --> 01:43:14,719
so

2453
01:43:18,229 --> 01:43:16,639
he makes a great point because we know

2454
01:43:21,830 --> 01:43:18,239
people are seeing stuff

2455
01:43:23,510 --> 01:43:21,840
yep for sure that is anomalous

2456
01:43:25,990 --> 01:43:23,520
for sure

2457
01:43:29,430 --> 01:43:27,430
then we have all these things that

2458
01:43:31,669 --> 01:43:29,440
people see

2459
01:43:33,189 --> 01:43:31,679
they crash or fragments fall off and

2460
01:43:36,790 --> 01:43:33,199
then they follow it up and it's like

2461
01:43:39,590 --> 01:43:36,800
this is just what it's rock or whatever

2462
01:43:42,550 --> 01:43:39,600
keel says that

2463
01:43:44,470 --> 01:43:42,560
and he writes in his book about

2464
01:43:46,070 --> 01:43:44,480
a bunch of these and i love the book

2465
01:43:48,310 --> 01:43:46,080
because it was kind of following where i

2466
01:43:49,910 --> 01:43:48,320
was where my like research was going

2467
01:43:52,149 --> 01:43:49,920
with these documents he's like covering

2468
01:43:53,669 --> 01:43:52,159
the same era you know in the same cases

2469
01:43:55,189 --> 01:43:53,679
almost it felt like

2470
01:43:57,030 --> 01:43:55,199
and um

2471
01:43:59,669 --> 01:43:57,040
it's always forsaken he says that it's

2472
01:44:01,109 --> 01:43:59,679
on purpose by the phenomena

2473
01:44:02,070 --> 01:44:01,119
that right

2474
01:44:03,910 --> 01:44:02,080
theory

2475
01:44:05,669 --> 01:44:03,920
they leave it

2476
01:44:08,310 --> 01:44:05,679
and make it

2477
01:44:11,590 --> 01:44:08,320
no big thing to kind of send you off a

2478
01:44:15,750 --> 01:44:13,350
that would be frustrating but also

2479
01:44:18,070 --> 01:44:15,760
interesting even with the airships back

2480
01:44:21,350 --> 01:44:18,080
in the day like he talked about how like

2481
01:44:24,470 --> 01:44:21,360
giant anchors were left behind

2482
01:44:27,430 --> 01:44:24,480
right now and they're just metal anchors

2483
01:44:30,390 --> 01:44:28,709
very strange

2484
01:44:32,629 --> 01:44:30,400
absolutely strange

2485
01:44:34,550 --> 01:44:32,639
have you heard of um

2486
01:44:35,830 --> 01:44:34,560
we'd know it by now

2487
01:44:37,990 --> 01:44:35,840
or maybe

2488
01:44:39,830 --> 01:44:38,000
yeah maybe i don't know yeah have you

2489
01:44:42,629 --> 01:44:39,840
heard of uh what heineken valley were

2490
01:44:45,270 --> 01:44:42,639
talking about i think in the 70s that m

2491
01:44:46,870 --> 01:44:45,280
m technology is i think what they called

2492
01:44:49,350 --> 01:44:46,880
it where it's

2493
01:44:53,510 --> 01:44:49,360
a physical chunk of something

2494
01:44:56,550 --> 01:44:53,520
possibly but it's also um

2495
01:44:57,510 --> 01:44:56,560
metaphysical in a sense

2496
01:45:00,950 --> 01:44:57,520
uh

2497
01:45:02,390 --> 01:45:00,960
it's such a strange idea but like so

2498
01:45:05,270 --> 01:45:02,400
you have this

2499
01:45:06,870 --> 01:45:05,280
consciousness or perception based uh

2500
01:45:08,310 --> 01:45:06,880
experience with the phenomenon but

2501
01:45:11,350 --> 01:45:08,320
there's some

2502
01:45:12,629 --> 01:45:11,360
physical chunk of matter in it too

2503
01:45:14,830 --> 01:45:12,639
right now i don't know if they're just

2504
01:45:16,310 --> 01:45:14,840
trying to reconcile like the

2505
01:45:18,390 --> 01:45:16,320
the out

2506
01:45:21,590 --> 01:45:18,400
all over the place claims mixed with

2507
01:45:23,109 --> 01:45:21,600
stuff like radar returns and like um

2508
01:45:25,030 --> 01:45:23,119
data that we have that's physical or

2509
01:45:26,229 --> 01:45:25,040
like physical trace cases and stuff

2510
01:45:28,149 --> 01:45:26,239
because those things are kind of hard to

2511
01:45:30,310 --> 01:45:28,159
reconcile you know what i mean right we

2512
01:45:33,350 --> 01:45:30,320
have these we have these like really

2513
01:45:35,590 --> 01:45:33,360
perception based experiences that are

2514
01:45:37,430 --> 01:45:35,600
you know different from person to person

2515
01:45:38,629 --> 01:45:37,440
but yet there there are some physical

2516
01:45:40,310 --> 01:45:38,639
trace things

2517
01:45:42,310 --> 01:45:40,320
there's the radar data in my case

2518
01:45:45,109 --> 01:45:42,320
there's lots of physical trace creases

2519
01:45:46,149 --> 01:45:45,119
there's delphos like i mentioned earlier

2520
01:45:50,870 --> 01:45:46,159
yeah

2521
01:45:53,350 --> 01:45:50,880
unified field theory of ufos there but

2522
01:45:55,590 --> 01:45:53,360
uh it it's interesting i just

2523
01:45:58,870 --> 01:45:55,600
there's always radar pickups that's the

2524
01:46:00,950 --> 01:45:58,880
thing right which would make you think

2525
01:46:04,310 --> 01:46:00,960
that it's a physical metallic object

2526
01:46:06,390 --> 01:46:04,320
even quoted people are saying that in my

2527
01:46:07,430 --> 01:46:06,400
testimony that which made us think it

2528
01:46:09,590 --> 01:46:07,440
was a

2529
01:46:11,189 --> 01:46:09,600
like a metallic

2530
01:46:14,870 --> 01:46:11,199
thing you know

2531
01:46:16,310 --> 01:46:14,880
who knows you know that it disappeared

2532
01:46:19,270 --> 01:46:16,320
yeah right

2533
01:46:20,790 --> 01:46:19,280
but like um like jack was saying i mean

2534
01:46:22,229 --> 01:46:20,800
they just could be interacting with

2535
01:46:24,070 --> 01:46:22,239
radar dishes

2536
01:46:26,070 --> 01:46:24,080
rather than reflecting them

2537
01:46:27,750 --> 01:46:26,080
yeah i i don't know i can't say either

2538
01:46:30,229 --> 01:46:27,760
way who am i there that that's a good

2539
01:46:32,470 --> 01:46:30,239
thing that's a good point in uh the dc

2540
01:46:35,270 --> 01:46:32,480
uh sightings uh one there there was a

2541
01:46:37,830 --> 01:46:35,280
whole plethora of um pings on the radar

2542
01:46:40,229 --> 01:46:37,840
and they sent the pilot

2543
01:46:43,109 --> 01:46:40,239
there on purpose like directly in the

2544
01:46:45,109 --> 01:46:43,119
middle of it right and

2545
01:46:47,270 --> 01:46:45,119
he didn't see anything

2546
01:46:48,629 --> 01:46:47,280
yeah and they were all surrounding his

2547
01:46:51,590 --> 01:46:48,639
his plane

2548
01:46:54,070 --> 01:46:51,600
um and then like another pilot saw one

2549
01:46:56,149 --> 01:46:54,080
one shortly after yeah but it shot off i

2550
01:46:58,229 --> 01:46:56,159
think right yeah

2551
01:47:00,149 --> 01:46:58,239
and three separate radar stations at

2552
01:47:02,070 --> 01:47:00,159
least at certain points for picking up

2553
01:47:03,350 --> 01:47:02,080
these things in dc

2554
01:47:06,070 --> 01:47:03,360
that's incredible

2555
01:47:07,350 --> 01:47:06,080
for the first time apparently

2556
01:47:09,510 --> 01:47:07,360
ever and

2557
01:47:11,990 --> 01:47:09,520
and i mean multiple radars

2558
01:47:13,590 --> 01:47:12,000
temperature inversions you can i'm sure

2559
01:47:17,510 --> 01:47:13,600
you can get the weather data from back

2560
01:47:19,910 --> 01:47:17,520
then but a lot of the other um typical

2561
01:47:21,510 --> 01:47:19,920
explanations for radar you've got ground

2562
01:47:24,870 --> 01:47:21,520
clutter which is when you're picking up

2563
01:47:27,430 --> 01:47:24,880
the tops of things which any any radar

2564
01:47:29,430 --> 01:47:27,440
operator you can just you can tilt it up

2565
01:47:32,229 --> 01:47:29,440
that's how you clear your screen of that

2566
01:47:34,229 --> 01:47:32,239
stuff which jack was doing in my case

2567
01:47:35,430 --> 01:47:34,239
and then there's um

2568
01:47:37,350 --> 01:47:35,440
chaffing

2569
01:47:39,109 --> 01:47:37,360
you know like um

2570
01:47:41,350 --> 01:47:39,119
micro particles in the air that the

2571
01:47:43,669 --> 01:47:41,360
radars bounce off uh reflective i think

2572
01:47:45,109 --> 01:47:43,679
it's like aluminum or something which i

2573
01:47:47,109 --> 01:47:45,119
i mean why would that be happening over

2574
01:47:51,270 --> 01:47:47,119
dc at the time i think temperature

2575
01:47:52,629 --> 01:47:51,280
inversions is an easy excuse i think uh

2576
01:47:53,669 --> 01:47:52,639
well the interesting thing what are

2577
01:47:55,990 --> 01:47:53,679
people seeing

2578
01:47:57,189 --> 01:47:56,000
these radar operators are on record

2579
01:47:59,189 --> 01:47:57,199
saying that

2580
01:48:01,109 --> 01:47:59,199
uh we're very familiar with what those

2581
01:48:04,310 --> 01:48:01,119
look like exactly

2582
01:48:05,750 --> 01:48:04,320
and we even saw some on here during that

2583
01:48:08,229 --> 01:48:05,760
episode

2584
01:48:09,270 --> 01:48:08,239
and that was just paying attention to it

2585
01:48:11,910 --> 01:48:09,280
yeah

2586
01:48:14,149 --> 01:48:11,920
and they said that these were coming in

2587
01:48:15,910 --> 01:48:14,159
that's why i kept playing that one clip

2588
01:48:18,070 --> 01:48:15,920
they're they're coming in good and

2589
01:48:19,590 --> 01:48:18,080
strong

2590
01:48:22,070 --> 01:48:19,600
right i mean and that was the main

2591
01:48:24,790 --> 01:48:22,080
takeaway from uh jack's radar experience

2592
01:48:26,149 --> 01:48:24,800
too is just how strong these returns are

2593
01:48:28,470 --> 01:48:26,159
because he'd seen

2594
01:48:30,470 --> 01:48:28,480
airliners passing over lake michigan

2595
01:48:32,550 --> 01:48:30,480
before and they're not that big this

2596
01:48:34,390 --> 01:48:32,560
thing was just like

2597
01:48:36,550 --> 01:48:34,400
whatever it was was big and purely

2598
01:48:38,870 --> 01:48:36,560
reflective just like

2599
01:48:41,109 --> 01:48:38,880
like a mirror almost

2600
01:48:42,550 --> 01:48:41,119
and it was just bouncing back like um

2601
01:48:44,390 --> 01:48:42,560
well it's kind of it's kind of hard to

2602
01:48:46,709 --> 01:48:44,400
visualize the way it does it like their

2603
01:48:49,030 --> 01:48:46,719
lines and the the longer the line and

2604
01:48:51,109 --> 01:48:49,040
the radar is like the strength of the

2605
01:48:53,590 --> 01:48:51,119
signal and they were just all the way up

2606
01:48:55,350 --> 01:48:53,600
huge spikes

2607
01:48:58,149 --> 01:48:55,360
so is that something solid and

2608
01:49:00,310 --> 01:48:58,159
reflective or is it something that is

2609
01:49:02,229 --> 01:49:00,320
yeah right right and he believes that

2610
01:49:04,550 --> 01:49:02,239
they were interacting with him

2611
01:49:05,990 --> 01:49:04,560
that it's a very good

2612
01:49:08,390 --> 01:49:06,000
very good perception there's something

2613
01:49:09,510 --> 01:49:08,400
to think about

2614
01:49:11,669 --> 01:49:09,520
why don't we take you down another

2615
01:49:14,390 --> 01:49:11,679
rabbit hole why hasn't anyone done

2616
01:49:15,990 --> 01:49:14,400
something like this these days it's

2617
01:49:17,669 --> 01:49:16,000
something so simple

2618
01:49:19,430 --> 01:49:17,679
uh number of reports

2619
01:49:23,430 --> 01:49:19,440
by a weekday and time

2620
01:49:25,030 --> 01:49:23,440
yeah that is looks like wednesdays man

2621
01:49:27,669 --> 01:49:25,040
humpty that's odd

2622
01:49:29,589 --> 01:49:27,679
very strange

2623
01:49:30,870 --> 01:49:29,599
that that is really good yeah i haven't

2624
01:49:32,390 --> 01:49:30,880
really thought about that like i don't

2625
01:49:33,990 --> 01:49:32,400
even i don't know what day of the week

2626
01:49:36,310 --> 01:49:34,000
my case was

2627
01:49:38,470 --> 01:49:36,320
yeah i could probably find out but

2628
01:49:41,030 --> 01:49:38,480
it seems like well because it's just one

2629
01:49:43,109 --> 01:49:41,040
case but if you're looking at the whole

2630
01:49:45,030 --> 01:49:43,119
kit and caboodle

2631
01:49:46,629 --> 01:49:45,040
you know

2632
01:49:49,910 --> 01:49:46,639
actually kiel said

2633
01:49:53,189 --> 01:49:49,920
uh so there's this high probability that

2634
01:49:54,629 --> 01:49:53,199
if you go somewhere with

2635
01:49:56,870 --> 01:49:54,639
an odd

2636
01:49:59,669 --> 01:49:56,880
electromagnetic

2637
01:50:01,910 --> 01:49:59,679
um fluctuation or something or

2638
01:50:02,790 --> 01:50:01,920
you know find a place like that around

2639
01:50:04,470 --> 01:50:02,800
you

2640
01:50:06,149 --> 01:50:04,480
and go on a wednesday

2641
01:50:07,589 --> 01:50:06,159
you have a high likelihood of seeing

2642
01:50:09,669 --> 01:50:07,599
something

2643
01:50:11,750 --> 01:50:09,679
that would be a good experiment

2644
01:50:13,510 --> 01:50:11,760
it's so strange too because

2645
01:50:15,189 --> 01:50:13,520
you know days of the week are a social

2646
01:50:17,430 --> 01:50:15,199
construct you know we came up with those

2647
01:50:19,270 --> 01:50:17,440
they don't exist in nature

2648
01:50:21,510 --> 01:50:19,280
so

2649
01:50:22,870 --> 01:50:21,520
if that's true if those statistics are

2650
01:50:25,030 --> 01:50:22,880
you know accurate

2651
01:50:27,430 --> 01:50:25,040
uh for the larger scale what's happening

2652
01:50:29,109 --> 01:50:27,440
there that also almost suggests some

2653
01:50:30,470 --> 01:50:29,119
kind of participation on our part

2654
01:50:32,870 --> 01:50:30,480
whether it's

2655
01:50:33,750 --> 01:50:32,880
known or willing or unwilling you know

2656
01:50:34,709 --> 01:50:33,760
like

2657
01:50:37,510 --> 01:50:34,719
you know

2658
01:50:39,430 --> 01:50:37,520
maybe that's another form of

2659
01:50:41,589 --> 01:50:39,440
possible communication maybe they're

2660
01:50:44,390 --> 01:50:41,599
trying like every way

2661
01:50:46,149 --> 01:50:44,400
possible because they can't talk

2662
01:50:47,589 --> 01:50:46,159
yeah

2663
01:50:49,430 --> 01:50:47,599
they're like what do we gotta do we're

2664
01:50:52,149 --> 01:50:49,440
all coming on wednesday what don't you

2665
01:50:53,750 --> 01:50:52,159
get

2666
01:50:55,669 --> 01:50:53,760
and there's so many weird little

2667
01:50:57,910 --> 01:50:55,679
patterns that you start picking up on if

2668
01:51:00,149 --> 01:50:57,920
you if you dig deep into these cases

2669
01:51:00,950 --> 01:51:00,159
yeah like that that's so strange i don't

2670
01:51:04,629 --> 01:51:00,960
know

2671
01:51:07,669 --> 01:51:04,639
it up and i think it was on a tuesday so

2672
01:51:09,270 --> 01:51:07,679
it was tuesday night tuesday night

2673
01:51:10,229 --> 01:51:09,280
that's not wednesday but that was next

2674
01:51:12,470 --> 01:51:10,239
in line

2675
01:51:14,950 --> 01:51:12,480
pretty close close enough it's

2676
01:51:17,510 --> 01:51:14,960
interesting that it uh the days did seem

2677
01:51:19,589 --> 01:51:17,520
to tumble as the week went on

2678
01:51:21,350 --> 01:51:19,599
or the the sightings didn't yeah that's

2679
01:51:23,430 --> 01:51:21,360
really interesting maybe that has to do

2680
01:51:24,229 --> 01:51:23,440
with more people's perception

2681
01:51:25,510 --> 01:51:24,239
um

2682
01:51:27,589 --> 01:51:25,520
you know people are

2683
01:51:29,109 --> 01:51:27,599
i don't know we on the weekends right

2684
01:51:31,030 --> 01:51:29,119
this is interesting at the bottom

2685
01:51:32,950 --> 01:51:31,040
poltergeist for oh i know i'm jumping

2686
01:51:35,030 --> 01:51:32,960
all over but this is interesting still

2687
01:51:38,629 --> 01:51:35,040
yeah poltergeist reports based on the

2688
01:51:39,750 --> 01:51:38,639
work of dr voter ufo reports based upon

2689
01:51:41,270 --> 01:51:39,760
work of

2690
01:51:44,790 --> 01:51:41,280
uh valley

2691
01:51:48,310 --> 01:51:47,030
poltergeist activity this is something

2692
01:51:50,070 --> 01:51:48,320
i'm really interested in i'd like to

2693
01:51:51,589 --> 01:51:50,080
look into more cases that have this

2694
01:51:53,510 --> 01:51:51,599
aspect to them because

2695
01:51:56,310 --> 01:51:53,520
that's super fascinating

2696
01:51:57,350 --> 01:51:56,320
the peripheral poltergeist

2697
01:51:59,669 --> 01:51:57,360
um

2698
01:52:02,229 --> 01:51:59,679
fortunately occult manifestations have

2699
01:52:03,910 --> 01:52:02,239
attracted a high caliber of investigator

2700
01:52:05,430 --> 01:52:03,920
than ufos

2701
01:52:06,870 --> 01:52:05,440
and the studies of ghosts hauntings

2702
01:52:09,030 --> 01:52:06,880
poltergeists in the last century are

2703
01:52:10,709 --> 01:52:09,040
quite thorough and responsible leading

2704
01:52:12,709 --> 01:52:10,719
scientists journalists and clergymen

2705
01:52:14,790 --> 01:52:12,719
have investigated and documented many of

2706
01:52:17,030 --> 01:52:14,800
these manifestations and they have left

2707
01:52:18,950 --> 01:52:17,040
excellent records i've examined much of

2708
01:52:22,390 --> 01:52:18,960
the material and found that poltergeist

2709
01:52:26,070 --> 01:52:22,400
flaps tend to either immediately proceed

2710
01:52:29,270 --> 01:52:26,080
or follow ufo flaps or the two kinds of

2711
01:52:30,950 --> 01:52:29,280
a phenomenon occur simultaneously i have

2712
01:52:33,109 --> 01:52:30,960
already noted in other articles that

2713
01:52:36,470 --> 01:52:33,119
i've found a sudden outbreak of

2714
01:52:38,550 --> 01:52:36,480
poltergeist activity in ufo flap areas

2715
01:52:40,870 --> 01:52:38,560
the poltergeist phenomenon seems to

2716
01:52:42,470 --> 01:52:40,880
consist of invisible entities or fields

2717
01:52:43,910 --> 01:52:42,480
of force which are capable of moving

2718
01:52:45,350 --> 01:52:43,920
heavy objects starting fires and

2719
01:52:46,550 --> 01:52:45,360
committing other kinds of senseless

2720
01:52:48,310 --> 01:52:46,560
mischief

2721
01:52:50,950 --> 01:52:48,320
mysterious fires often go hand in hand

2722
01:52:53,510 --> 01:52:50,960
with ufo sightings doors and houses of

2723
01:52:55,430 --> 01:52:53,520
witnesses in ufo areas open and close by

2724
01:52:57,189 --> 01:52:55,440
themselves strange noises are heard we

2725
01:52:59,910 --> 01:52:57,199
must open our minds to the chilling

2726
01:53:01,750 --> 01:52:59,920
possibility that the real ufos and the

2727
01:53:04,149 --> 01:53:01,760
real euphonias

2728
01:53:06,709 --> 01:53:04,159
there we go again may be invisible to

2729
01:53:09,430 --> 01:53:06,719
our limited visual uh apparatus the

2730
01:53:11,990 --> 01:53:09,440
human eye can discern only a very small

2731
01:53:15,750 --> 01:53:12,000
portion of the electromagnetic spectr

2732
01:53:18,390 --> 01:53:15,760
spectrum uh side note uh lou elizondo uh

2733
01:53:21,030 --> 01:53:18,400
mentions that all the time

2734
01:53:23,350 --> 01:53:21,040
at least one contact d has told us that

2735
01:53:25,510 --> 01:53:23,360
the objects are usually invisible in

2736
01:53:27,910 --> 01:53:25,520
daylight but tend to glow at night and

2737
01:53:29,990 --> 01:53:27,920
give themselves away uh this may explain

2738
01:53:31,430 --> 01:53:30,000
why the sighting ratio increases sharply

2739
01:53:33,510 --> 01:53:31,440
at sunset

2740
01:53:35,830 --> 01:53:33,520
and is most intense during the hours of

2741
01:53:37,270 --> 01:53:35,840
darkness sea figures 4041 in project

2742
01:53:42,870 --> 01:53:37,280
blue book

2743
01:53:47,109 --> 01:53:45,350
if you look back into like uh

2744
01:53:48,470 --> 01:53:47,119
parapsychology history and stuff like

2745
01:53:50,550 --> 01:53:48,480
that there was a lot of people out of

2746
01:53:51,589 --> 01:53:50,560
like duke like jb ryan who were thinking

2747
01:53:53,030 --> 01:53:51,599
that

2748
01:53:55,270 --> 01:53:53,040
poltergeists are not some kind of

2749
01:53:59,189 --> 01:53:55,280
paranormal entity but like a

2750
01:54:01,109 --> 01:53:59,199
manifestation of psy so also

2751
01:54:02,870 --> 01:54:01,119
you know witness participation

2752
01:54:04,870 --> 01:54:02,880
essentially um

2753
01:54:06,950 --> 01:54:04,880
people were inadvertently

2754
01:54:09,669 --> 01:54:06,960
using psy which was their kind of

2755
01:54:11,830 --> 01:54:09,679
measurement for psychic uh right for

2756
01:54:13,990 --> 01:54:11,840
lack of a better word but it was

2757
01:54:15,910 --> 01:54:14,000
us that were influencing these uh this

2758
01:54:17,430 --> 01:54:15,920
phenomenon around our house

2759
01:54:18,550 --> 01:54:17,440
which kind of goes hand in hand with

2760
01:54:20,950 --> 01:54:18,560
what we were just talking about so

2761
01:54:22,550 --> 01:54:20,960
that's interesting

2762
01:54:24,550 --> 01:54:22,560
yeah i mean if it's something you don't

2763
01:54:25,990 --> 01:54:24,560
understand like

2764
01:54:27,910 --> 01:54:26,000
you know you're not going to know what

2765
01:54:29,990 --> 01:54:27,920
what's happening or what you're doing

2766
01:54:32,070 --> 01:54:30,000
you know right

2767
01:54:34,310 --> 01:54:32,080
yeah and like i would really recommend

2768
01:54:35,510 --> 01:54:34,320
people to look into the old history of

2769
01:54:37,030 --> 01:54:35,520
parapsychology because there was some

2770
01:54:39,109 --> 01:54:37,040
interesting stuff there and there there

2771
01:54:41,430 --> 01:54:39,119
is some overlap um

2772
01:54:43,510 --> 01:54:41,440
stacy horn's unbelievable was is a good

2773
01:54:45,990 --> 01:54:43,520
um kind of pop

2774
01:54:47,589 --> 01:54:46,000
uh retelling of all that stuff really

2775
01:54:48,790 --> 01:54:47,599
interesting stuff and then um

2776
01:54:50,870 --> 01:54:48,800
interesting

2777
01:54:52,470 --> 01:54:50,880
the controversial science for

2778
01:54:53,910 --> 01:54:52,480
parapsychology this is a pretty good

2779
01:54:55,750 --> 01:54:53,920
book and it goes into the history of jb

2780
01:54:57,510 --> 01:54:55,760
ryan working at duke because back in the

2781
01:55:00,070 --> 01:54:57,520
days you could get a degree in

2782
01:55:01,189 --> 01:55:00,080
parapsychology which sounds awesome i

2783
01:55:02,870 --> 01:55:01,199
don't know what you do with that

2784
01:55:04,870 --> 01:55:02,880
nowadays but

2785
01:55:06,709 --> 01:55:04,880
kind of cool to have on the wall right

2786
01:55:08,709 --> 01:55:06,719
yeah it's a degree

2787
01:55:10,470 --> 01:55:08,719
you could be a cop

2788
01:55:12,070 --> 01:55:10,480
all you need is a degree

2789
01:55:13,430 --> 01:55:12,080
it's true

2790
01:55:14,310 --> 01:55:13,440
that is true

2791
01:55:17,350 --> 01:55:14,320
yeah

2792
01:55:19,669 --> 01:55:17,360
um so that was kind of

2793
01:55:22,709 --> 01:55:19,679
oh we're running out of time here but

2794
01:55:22,719 --> 01:55:26,070
what i was gonna show

2795
01:55:30,310 --> 01:55:28,470
you can run if you have to uh otherwise

2796
01:55:35,430 --> 01:55:30,320
i'm just gonna pull this up

2797
01:55:41,030 --> 01:55:37,669
so here we are

2798
01:55:52,070 --> 01:55:41,040
i believe this is canada so

2799
01:55:52,080 --> 01:55:58,870
all right there we go

2800
01:56:02,629 --> 01:56:00,790
so

2801
01:56:05,030 --> 01:56:02,639
this is

2802
01:56:07,910 --> 01:56:05,040
case in canada i shared it on my twitter

2803
01:56:11,109 --> 01:56:08,709
so

2804
01:56:12,790 --> 01:56:11,119
you can go on there and look at this for

2805
01:56:14,470 --> 01:56:12,800
yourself

2806
01:56:15,270 --> 01:56:14,480
i'm looking for it right now

2807
01:56:17,109 --> 01:56:15,280
but

2808
01:56:20,390 --> 01:56:17,119
professional glazer called yeah so

2809
01:56:24,149 --> 01:56:20,400
window was broken i saw some ufos

2810
01:56:28,870 --> 01:56:26,709
a lot of stuff happened the fairy rings

2811
01:56:32,149 --> 01:56:28,880
uh mr stromp told me of the discovery of

2812
01:56:34,310 --> 01:56:32,159
some rings on the ground north of wooler

2813
01:56:35,750 --> 01:56:34,320
fairy rings isn't that like a crop

2814
01:56:38,470 --> 01:56:35,760
circle

2815
01:56:41,669 --> 01:56:38,480
fairy rings are um you see them in grass

2816
01:56:44,149 --> 01:56:41,679
and like um maybe in uh clovers and

2817
01:56:46,629 --> 01:56:44,159
stuff too but it's like a discoloration

2818
01:56:48,870 --> 01:56:46,639
and typically in nature they're caused

2819
01:56:50,629 --> 01:56:48,880
by a kind of a fungus that grows in a

2820
01:56:52,470 --> 01:56:50,639
ring under the ground and it affects the

2821
01:56:53,270 --> 01:56:52,480
plants above it

2822
01:56:54,629 --> 01:56:53,280
but

2823
01:56:56,310 --> 01:56:54,639
they've called

2824
01:56:59,270 --> 01:56:56,320
dolphos again they called that a fairy

2825
01:57:02,149 --> 01:56:59,280
ring too or philip class said it was um

2826
01:57:04,870 --> 01:57:04,070
yeah because it was around a feeder but

2827
01:57:08,870 --> 01:57:04,880
uh

2828
01:57:10,629 --> 01:57:08,880
reported by fred wayne apparently

2829
01:57:13,109 --> 01:57:10,639
descended somewhere in the immediate

2830
01:57:15,350 --> 01:57:13,119
vicinity of the circles later discovered

2831
01:57:17,669 --> 01:57:15,360
this suggests that the ufo activity in

2832
01:57:19,750 --> 01:57:17,679
the area has been developing

2833
01:57:22,830 --> 01:57:19,760
uh there over a long period of time and

2834
01:57:27,030 --> 01:57:22,840
has been largely unnoticed

2835
01:57:31,430 --> 01:57:29,350
yes a strange residue is found in

2836
01:57:33,109 --> 01:57:31,440
crusting the soil well it sounds sweet

2837
01:57:35,350 --> 01:57:33,119
yeah chicken [\h__\h]

2838
01:57:36,950 --> 01:57:35,360
yeah um

2839
01:57:38,550 --> 01:57:36,960
right

2840
01:57:41,750 --> 01:57:38,560
samples have been taken but we have no

2841
01:57:44,950 --> 01:57:41,760
further information at the time okay

2842
01:57:49,189 --> 01:57:44,960
um and then a window broke

2843
01:57:50,229 --> 01:57:49,199
so i do have a picture of the window

2844
01:57:55,270 --> 01:57:50,239
which is

2845
01:57:58,310 --> 01:57:56,790
it's pretty great because there's you

2846
01:58:00,790 --> 01:57:58,320
know it really just goes to show how

2847
01:58:01,750 --> 01:58:00,800
much information is out there

2848
01:58:05,189 --> 01:58:01,760
that

2849
01:58:07,990 --> 01:58:05,199
is almost too much for everyone to to

2850
01:58:09,990 --> 01:58:08,000
know it is yeah that's like

2851
01:58:12,390 --> 01:58:10,000
i always have to narrow my focus onto a

2852
01:58:14,709 --> 01:58:12,400
case otherwise i get so distracted

2853
01:58:16,790 --> 01:58:14,719
i was uh i was looking for a new case to

2854
01:58:19,669 --> 01:58:16,800
start covering since i'm kind of at a

2855
01:58:21,109 --> 01:58:19,679
standstill at the moment with mine and i

2856
01:58:22,790 --> 01:58:21,119
just

2857
01:58:24,229 --> 01:58:22,800
it's sensory overload there's so much

2858
01:58:26,550 --> 01:58:24,239
good information out there over the past

2859
01:58:28,070 --> 01:58:26,560
70 years i i think a lot of the newer

2860
01:58:29,510 --> 01:58:28,080
people don't realize that they think

2861
01:58:31,589 --> 01:58:29,520
since they're old they've been solved

2862
01:58:33,510 --> 01:58:31,599
and

2863
01:58:35,589 --> 01:58:33,520
not even close not even close there's so

2864
01:58:37,750 --> 01:58:35,599
much great stuff look at this guy i keep

2865
01:58:41,750 --> 01:58:37,760
clicking on this podcast forgetting how

2866
01:58:45,430 --> 01:58:43,910
why do you keep clicking on me

2867
01:58:46,149 --> 01:58:45,440
why do you keep clicking on it then i'm

2868
01:58:49,109 --> 01:58:46,159
gonna

2869
01:58:51,109 --> 01:58:49,119
keep your uh your face on the podcast

2870
01:58:54,149 --> 01:58:51,119
you don't like oh he's how does that

2871
01:58:58,149 --> 01:58:55,270
bye buddy

2872
01:59:00,149 --> 01:58:58,159
oh you're getting a little dude i have

2873
01:59:02,629 --> 01:59:00,159
my own way

2874
01:59:04,310 --> 01:59:02,639
uh all right so here we go

2875
01:59:07,350 --> 01:59:04,320
here's the window

2876
01:59:08,709 --> 01:59:07,360
newsman witnesses the manifestations

2877
01:59:11,430 --> 01:59:08,719
window breaks

2878
01:59:12,950 --> 01:59:11,440
somebody looked at it and

2879
01:59:14,790 --> 01:59:12,960
long story short

2880
01:59:16,790 --> 01:59:14,800
he didn't know how it could happen

2881
01:59:18,870 --> 01:59:16,800
like a window guy looked at it

2882
01:59:20,960 --> 01:59:18,880
oh okay a window professional

2883
01:59:23,669 --> 01:59:20,970
yeah let me check it out

2884
01:59:25,589 --> 01:59:23,679
[Laughter]

2885
01:59:27,030 --> 01:59:25,599
i'm not sure i'm not sure how that

2886
01:59:31,430 --> 01:59:27,040
happened how do you get that

2887
01:59:34,709 --> 01:59:33,030
did the window break in the presence of

2888
01:59:35,750 --> 01:59:34,719
someone with someone like watching it as

2889
01:59:37,350 --> 01:59:35,760
it broke

2890
01:59:38,790 --> 01:59:37,360
so what happened

2891
01:59:39,910 --> 01:59:38,800
or is there just a broken window because

2892
01:59:41,589 --> 01:59:39,920
it looks

2893
01:59:44,149 --> 01:59:41,599
baseball

2894
01:59:45,830 --> 01:59:44,159
the younger children to the relatives it

2895
01:59:48,709 --> 01:59:45,840
was north of willard where she stayed

2896
01:59:51,189 --> 01:59:48,719
until events quieted down well

2897
01:59:53,030 --> 01:59:51,199
i think i might have to look into this

2898
01:59:54,390 --> 01:59:53,040
further

2899
01:59:56,550 --> 01:59:54,400
so

2900
01:59:58,629 --> 01:59:56,560
where's the ufo part ghost hunter from

2901
02:00:01,109 --> 01:59:58,639
hezbollah plus two people from ontario

2902
02:00:02,310 --> 02:00:01,119
who were interested in ufos strangely

2903
02:00:03,910 --> 02:00:02,320
enough

2904
02:00:05,990 --> 02:00:03,920
spent the entire evening and night in

2905
02:00:08,390 --> 02:00:06,000
their kitchen without ever giving their

2906
02:00:09,669 --> 02:00:08,400
names

2907
02:00:11,270 --> 02:00:09,679
thrills searched for the house inside

2908
02:00:13,030 --> 02:00:11,280
and out then one officer remained

2909
02:00:14,390 --> 02:00:13,040
outside at all times until daybreak

2910
02:00:17,109 --> 02:00:14,400
nothing happened while the lights were

2911
02:00:19,109 --> 02:00:17,119
on unless everyone was in the room then

2912
02:00:22,950 --> 02:00:19,119
the poltergeist manifestations and

2913
02:00:26,790 --> 02:00:24,500
interesting

2914
02:00:29,270 --> 02:00:26,800
[Music]

2915
02:00:30,950 --> 02:00:29,280
oh the official explanation

2916
02:00:33,030 --> 02:00:30,960
we should probably read that

2917
02:00:34,870 --> 02:00:33,040
the first fairbanks uh radio controller

2918
02:00:36,950 --> 02:00:34,880
for the air base later stated that he

2919
02:00:39,350 --> 02:00:36,960
had many calls that night july 2nd about

2920
02:00:41,350 --> 02:00:39,360
bright lights when people were facing

2921
02:00:45,350 --> 02:00:41,360
east and saw them while other people

2922
02:00:47,910 --> 02:00:45,360
located west of these people and facing

2923
02:00:49,669 --> 02:00:47,920
west also saw the lights well

2924
02:00:51,669 --> 02:00:49,679
the official explanation released to the

2925
02:00:53,510 --> 02:00:51,679
press was that these lights were a

2926
02:00:55,669 --> 02:00:53,520
meteor of course

2927
02:00:56,870 --> 02:00:55,679
fairbanks did not agree with this

2928
02:00:58,709 --> 02:00:56,880
explanation

2929
02:01:01,350 --> 02:00:58,719
and pointed out that the citing reports

2930
02:01:02,229 --> 02:01:01,360
were received over a two-hour period c

2931
02:01:03,430 --> 02:01:02,239
flap

2932
02:01:05,990 --> 02:01:03,440
article

2933
02:01:07,990 --> 02:01:06,000
this issue whatever page 24.

2934
02:01:11,109 --> 02:01:08,000
i feel like we don't have flaps anymore

2935
02:01:13,510 --> 02:01:11,119
yep totally what what's up with that

2936
02:01:15,270 --> 02:01:13,520
oh one one thing i want to mention um

2937
02:01:17,430 --> 02:01:15,280
about your years that kind of reminded

2938
02:01:20,229 --> 02:01:17,440
me uh and then the other day

2939
02:01:22,310 --> 02:01:20,239
yeah the other day in town um we had a

2940
02:01:23,830 --> 02:01:22,320
fireball in the sky at night you know a

2941
02:01:24,950 --> 02:01:23,840
big long trail

2942
02:01:26,550 --> 02:01:24,960
um

2943
02:01:28,390 --> 02:01:26,560
i think it may have been a satellite

2944
02:01:30,229 --> 02:01:28,400
re-entering i haven't really looked it

2945
02:01:32,310 --> 02:01:30,239
up but i noticed um

2946
02:01:33,510 --> 02:01:32,320
my local fox affiliate posted on their

2947
02:01:35,510 --> 02:01:33,520
facebook and you know i had like

2948
02:01:37,830 --> 02:01:35,520
hundreds of comments on it

2949
02:01:40,790 --> 02:01:37,840
i saw one comment saying that it was a

2950
02:01:41,990 --> 02:01:40,800
ufo and they were being facetious

2951
02:01:44,470 --> 02:01:42,000
i just

2952
02:01:47,189 --> 02:01:44,480
i think that illustrates a point that um

2953
02:01:49,510 --> 02:01:47,199
not everybody is so easily bamboozled by

2954
02:01:51,189 --> 02:01:49,520
lights in the sky and even if they are

2955
02:01:53,109 --> 02:01:51,199
in the moment they don't walk away from

2956
02:01:54,950 --> 02:01:53,119
that confused from their for the rest of

2957
02:01:57,189 --> 02:01:54,960
their lives you know what i mean i know

2958
02:01:59,109 --> 02:01:57,199
that's easy to say that like

2959
02:02:01,030 --> 02:01:59,119
people who see have ufo sightings

2960
02:02:03,109 --> 02:02:01,040
they're misidentifying

2961
02:02:05,990 --> 02:02:03,119
planes and venus and things like that

2962
02:02:06,950 --> 02:02:06,000
and make sure that that can happen

2963
02:02:08,390 --> 02:02:06,960
but

2964
02:02:10,950 --> 02:02:08,400
just like any time you look at an

2965
02:02:13,109 --> 02:02:10,960
optical illusion it doesn't

2966
02:02:15,270 --> 02:02:13,119
like completely fool you

2967
02:02:17,189 --> 02:02:15,280
you figure it out after the fact and

2968
02:02:18,709 --> 02:02:17,199
these people are still maintaining their

2969
02:02:21,030 --> 02:02:18,719
claims afterwards

2970
02:02:23,109 --> 02:02:21,040
that's a great point um and i can only

2971
02:02:25,189 --> 02:02:23,119
speak on my own experience so the when i

2972
02:02:27,750 --> 02:02:25,199
saw the first white sideways teardrop

2973
02:02:30,229 --> 02:02:27,760
thing even though literally thinking

2974
02:02:31,669 --> 02:02:30,239
about it now is probably 40 50 feet

2975
02:02:34,310 --> 02:02:31,679
above me

2976
02:02:37,669 --> 02:02:34,320
after i saw it like it

2977
02:02:40,149 --> 02:02:37,679
i wasn't struck with uh

2978
02:02:41,990 --> 02:02:40,159
like this is unbelievable you know i was

2979
02:02:43,189 --> 02:02:42,000
struck with wow

2980
02:02:44,950 --> 02:02:43,199
that was cool

2981
02:02:46,950 --> 02:02:44,960
right i wonder what that was like some

2982
02:02:47,910 --> 02:02:46,960
sort of you do you you do one that

2983
02:02:50,390 --> 02:02:47,920
wasn't

2984
02:02:52,070 --> 02:02:50,400
not a shooting star way too big

2985
02:02:53,430 --> 02:02:52,080
but i'm thinking about it but i'm like

2986
02:02:54,470 --> 02:02:53,440
just thinking it's something cool and i

2987
02:02:55,669 --> 02:02:54,480
just don't know

2988
02:02:57,750 --> 02:02:55,679
right and then

2989
02:03:00,229 --> 02:02:57,760
this the second one a couple days after

2990
02:03:01,589 --> 02:03:00,239
then i'm like okay

2991
02:03:03,669 --> 02:03:01,599
what the hell is this

2992
02:03:05,430 --> 02:03:03,679
i just i i remember this is maybe like a

2993
02:03:07,589 --> 02:03:05,440
month or so ago but mick west uh was

2994
02:03:09,669 --> 02:03:07,599
posting about how he's confused a plane

2995
02:03:11,030 --> 02:03:09,679
for venus and venus for a plane and i

2996
02:03:13,030 --> 02:03:11,040
asked him i said

2997
02:03:14,709 --> 02:03:13,040
how long were you confused for

2998
02:03:15,990 --> 02:03:14,719
before you figured out your mistake he's

2999
02:03:19,589 --> 02:03:16,000
like oh just a couple of minutes and i

3000
02:03:21,189 --> 02:03:19,599
was like exactly yeah exactly my point

3001
02:03:22,390 --> 02:03:21,199
you know what i mean that's a great

3002
02:03:24,950 --> 02:03:22,400
point

3003
02:03:26,870 --> 02:03:24,960
you can't it's it's it's a lazy excuse i

3004
02:03:28,149 --> 02:03:26,880
mean like yeah yeah there are like venus

3005
02:03:29,990 --> 02:03:28,159
does look pretty bright especially when

3006
02:03:31,430 --> 02:03:30,000
it's on the horizon it's kind of that

3007
02:03:33,510 --> 02:03:31,440
same effect when the full moon is on the

3008
02:03:35,430 --> 02:03:33,520
horizon it looks a bit larger i've

3009
02:03:37,109 --> 02:03:35,440
looked at venus and then like wow what

3010
02:03:38,470 --> 02:03:37,119
the heck is that and then i watch it for

3011
02:03:40,790 --> 02:03:38,480
a moment and i'm like

3012
02:03:42,390 --> 02:03:40,800
that's not moving that's in the place

3013
02:03:44,790 --> 02:03:42,400
dragonfly i don't know how you confuse

3014
02:03:46,149 --> 02:03:44,800
venus for a plane

3015
02:03:48,310 --> 02:03:46,159
but

3016
02:03:50,149 --> 02:03:48,320
my point is is that you stare at it for

3017
02:03:51,669 --> 02:03:50,159
a while and then

3018
02:03:54,069 --> 02:03:51,679
you either figure out or you walk away

3019
02:03:56,069 --> 02:03:54,079
you don't walk away convinced

3020
02:03:57,430 --> 02:03:56,079
that something extraordinary happened

3021
02:03:59,030 --> 02:03:57,440
extraordinary

3022
02:04:00,870 --> 02:03:59,040
yeah

3023
02:04:02,790 --> 02:04:00,880
and i think that that news that local

3024
02:04:04,229 --> 02:04:02,800
news story kind of proves that point a

3025
02:04:06,790 --> 02:04:04,239
little bit or at least helps illustrate

3026
02:04:07,750 --> 02:04:06,800
that point that people saw that they

3027
02:04:08,950 --> 02:04:07,760
didn't know what it was they didn't know

3028
02:04:11,189 --> 02:04:08,960
if it was a media or something

3029
02:04:13,030 --> 02:04:11,199
re-entering or space junk

3030
02:04:15,669 --> 02:04:13,040
but they while they were amazed by it

3031
02:04:17,510 --> 02:04:15,679
and posted videos they were also

3032
02:04:20,629 --> 02:04:17,520
you know not convinced

3033
02:04:21,990 --> 02:04:20,639
that it was something otherworldly

3034
02:04:22,950 --> 02:04:22,000
like a lot of people would have you

3035
02:04:24,240 --> 02:04:22,960
think

3036
02:04:25,589 --> 02:04:24,250
you know what i mean

3037
02:04:27,350 --> 02:04:25,599
[Music]

3038
02:04:30,950 --> 02:04:27,360
yeah i just wanted to add that because

3039
02:04:33,189 --> 02:04:30,960
it was topical lately but yeah no i i

3040
02:04:35,510 --> 02:04:33,199
completely agree with you that i think

3041
02:04:38,709 --> 02:04:35,520
it's insulting to think that all these

3042
02:04:41,669 --> 02:04:38,719
people are just so readily prepared to

3043
02:04:43,510 --> 02:04:41,679
think it's something amazing that no one

3044
02:04:44,709 --> 02:04:43,520
knows what it is you know just walking

3045
02:04:47,270 --> 02:04:44,719
through life being perpetually

3046
02:04:49,669 --> 02:04:47,280
bamboozled by everything right

3047
02:04:52,470 --> 02:04:49,679
like yeah then you'd be able to go up to

3048
02:04:54,390 --> 02:04:52,480
him and go listen dude i got a thousand

3049
02:04:56,790 --> 02:04:54,400
bucks in my pocket and i'm giving it to

3050
02:04:57,030 --> 02:04:56,800
you all you gotta do is say my name

3051
02:04:59,589 --> 02:04:57,040
what

3052
02:05:02,390 --> 02:04:59,599
[Laughter]

3053
02:05:04,310 --> 02:05:02,400
i mean what's the difference

3054
02:05:05,430 --> 02:05:04,320
i don't know we're all using this we all

3055
02:05:07,109 --> 02:05:05,440
have the same

3056
02:05:09,030 --> 02:05:07,119
more or less sensory experience and

3057
02:05:10,229 --> 02:05:09,040
we're all using them and our our whole

3058
02:05:12,229 --> 02:05:10,239
lives are

3059
02:05:14,790 --> 02:05:12,239
memories except for this very moment

3060
02:05:16,790 --> 02:05:14,800
that we're perceiving in time so yeah

3061
02:05:17,589 --> 02:05:16,800
memories get conflated with things and

3062
02:05:22,870 --> 02:05:17,599
they

3063
02:05:24,870 --> 02:05:22,880
and your senses can be tricked but

3064
02:05:26,870 --> 02:05:24,880
we're all the same here we all

3065
02:05:29,030 --> 02:05:26,880
have reasoning skills too on top of that

3066
02:05:31,030 --> 02:05:29,040
you know what i mean i don't

3067
02:05:32,950 --> 02:05:31,040
temperature inversions venus and even

3068
02:05:35,589 --> 02:05:32,960
swamp gas which i'm getting to

3069
02:05:37,910 --> 02:05:35,599
eventually with that project

3070
02:05:40,310 --> 02:05:37,920
it's lazy

3071
02:05:41,990 --> 02:05:40,320
and even if you do even if you do find a

3072
02:05:43,350 --> 02:05:42,000
sensible explanation if it's not fitting

3073
02:05:45,030 --> 02:05:43,360
those claims you're still putting a

3074
02:05:48,149 --> 02:05:45,040
square peg in a round hole

3075
02:05:50,310 --> 02:05:48,159
yeah and just it's that's why we're in

3076
02:05:51,270 --> 02:05:50,320
this way i i really don't like the word

3077
02:05:53,910 --> 02:05:51,280
solved

3078
02:05:56,229 --> 02:05:53,920
that was one of the words that kind of

3079
02:05:58,470 --> 02:05:56,239
got me to step back solved

3080
02:06:00,870 --> 02:05:58,480
you weren't there man

3081
02:06:02,470 --> 02:06:00,880
you know what i mean yeah

3082
02:06:06,229 --> 02:06:02,480
that's something to think about

3083
02:06:07,750 --> 02:06:06,239
yeah it's it's not a easy thing but

3084
02:06:10,470 --> 02:06:07,760
you know i feel like the more people

3085
02:06:13,589 --> 02:06:10,480
that go look into things like this uh

3086
02:06:14,790 --> 02:06:13,599
earnestly and honestly um

3087
02:06:16,709 --> 02:06:14,800
that's how

3088
02:06:18,629 --> 02:06:16,719
we may at least

3089
02:06:21,189 --> 02:06:18,639
maybe we won't get there

3090
02:06:22,550 --> 02:06:21,199
but we'll change the paradigm and how

3091
02:06:25,350 --> 02:06:22,560
people treat

3092
02:06:28,229 --> 02:06:25,360
the topic and look at it and research it

3093
02:06:31,189 --> 02:06:28,239
hopefully which which might be a foot on

3094
02:06:31,910 --> 02:06:31,199
a step

3095
02:06:33,030 --> 02:06:31,920
but

3096
02:06:34,069 --> 02:06:33,040
you know

3097
02:06:35,830 --> 02:06:34,079
but

3098
02:06:38,069 --> 02:06:35,840
yeah all right

3099
02:06:40,069 --> 02:06:38,079
dragonfly said inside explanations like

3100
02:06:41,510 --> 02:06:40,079
birds venus lighthouses etc are so

3101
02:06:43,270 --> 02:06:41,520
offensive especially when we talk about

3102
02:06:46,310 --> 02:06:43,280
sightings with multiple witnesses i

3103
02:06:49,030 --> 02:06:46,320
agree yeah completely agree um all right

3104
02:06:50,709 --> 02:06:49,040
lubock lights for instance

3105
02:06:51,430 --> 02:06:50,719
uh yeah yeah

3106
02:06:53,910 --> 02:06:51,440
yeah

3107
02:06:56,310 --> 02:06:53,920
shiny birds professors professors

3108
02:06:58,790 --> 02:06:56,320
looking at this stuff the funny the my

3109
02:06:59,589 --> 02:06:58,800
favorite part about that is they

3110
02:07:02,709 --> 02:06:59,599
uh

3111
02:07:03,750 --> 02:07:02,719
attempted to recreate the photograph

3112
02:07:07,270 --> 02:07:03,760
wit

3113
02:07:09,109 --> 02:07:07,280
birds flying in the same formation they

3114
02:07:13,589 --> 02:07:09,119
took the pictures and everything and it

3115
02:07:15,030 --> 02:07:13,599
wasn't even close nah wasn't even close

3116
02:07:18,310 --> 02:07:15,040
uh

3117
02:07:20,709 --> 02:07:18,320
so oh brian brady's back um

3118
02:07:22,149 --> 02:07:20,719
yeah shiny shiny birds uh reflecting off

3119
02:07:23,830 --> 02:07:22,159
the street lights

3120
02:07:25,430 --> 02:07:23,840
that's a stretch that's creative at

3121
02:07:27,109 --> 02:07:25,440
least so i'll give whoever came up with

3122
02:07:29,270 --> 02:07:27,119
that credit for that but they went

3123
02:07:31,669 --> 02:07:29,280
through the process and recreated it

3124
02:07:33,510 --> 02:07:31,679
like a scientific experiment and they

3125
02:07:34,950 --> 02:07:33,520
couldn't and and yet we don't talk about

3126
02:07:36,470 --> 02:07:34,960
that case anymore just like most people

3127
02:07:37,990 --> 02:07:36,480
don't talk about hudson valley anymore

3128
02:07:39,669 --> 02:07:38,000
because someone came up with the idea of

3129
02:07:41,350 --> 02:07:39,679
ultra lights flying in formation even

3130
02:07:42,870 --> 02:07:41,360
though that does not

3131
02:07:44,709 --> 02:07:42,880
fit that's in valley

3132
02:07:46,870 --> 02:07:44,719
there's a lot of paranormal attached to

3133
02:07:47,669 --> 02:07:46,880
that thing yeah there is especially all

3134
02:07:51,750 --> 02:07:47,679
those

3135
02:07:53,109 --> 02:07:51,760
um like little caverns all throughout

3136
02:07:55,589 --> 02:07:53,119
the woods and stuff did you look into

3137
02:07:58,310 --> 02:07:55,599
that part of it no that sounds really

3138
02:07:59,189 --> 02:07:58,320
yeah these little stone

3139
02:08:04,069 --> 02:07:59,199
cave

3140
02:08:07,510 --> 02:08:05,510
hundreds of them

3141
02:08:10,310 --> 02:08:07,520
i'm part way through night siege right

3142
02:08:12,629 --> 02:08:10,320
now and then i'm i'm actually uh i was i

3143
02:08:14,550 --> 02:08:12,639
was talking to um mark roediger from

3144
02:08:16,229 --> 02:08:14,560
kufo so i was seeing if he had any extra

3145
02:08:17,510 --> 02:08:16,239
information on it too

3146
02:08:18,870 --> 02:08:17,520
but uh

3147
02:08:22,790 --> 02:08:18,880
yeah man

3148
02:08:25,430 --> 02:08:22,800
this is night school

3149
02:08:27,270 --> 02:08:25,440
invisible college invisible

3150
02:08:30,870 --> 02:08:27,280
yeah

3151
02:08:33,830 --> 02:08:30,880
it is you saw that uh uh

3152
02:08:34,830 --> 02:08:33,840
fbi bulletin i shared right

3153
02:08:40,149 --> 02:08:34,840
yeah

3154
02:08:41,270 --> 02:08:40,159
reporting their sightings to the police

3155
02:08:43,830 --> 02:08:41,280
which i'm

3156
02:08:45,750 --> 02:08:43,840
in big favor of especially after my case

3157
02:08:48,229 --> 02:08:45,760
it creates a public record you know what

3158
02:08:49,030 --> 02:08:48,239
he says is they went to kufos right yeah

3159
02:08:52,229 --> 02:08:49,040
that's

3160
02:08:53,189 --> 02:08:52,239
uh heineken organization out of illinois

3161
02:08:54,870 --> 02:08:53,199
um

3162
02:08:56,470 --> 02:08:54,880
there's a there's a new archivist there

3163
02:08:57,910 --> 02:08:56,480
that i'm talking to too trying to find

3164
02:09:00,149 --> 02:08:57,920
some um

3165
02:09:02,870 --> 02:09:00,159
cool documentation from the hillsdale

3166
02:09:05,830 --> 02:09:02,880
sighting in 66. so we'll see they're

3167
02:09:07,750 --> 02:09:05,840
still around i don't even know that

3168
02:09:08,950 --> 02:09:07,760
i gotta go drive down

3169
02:09:10,709 --> 02:09:08,960
illinois

3170
02:09:12,310 --> 02:09:10,719
yep they have a lot of great information

3171
02:09:14,950 --> 02:09:12,320
i actually mark roderger this is the

3172
02:09:15,910 --> 02:09:14,960
scientific director on the board he um

3173
02:09:18,470 --> 02:09:15,920
he was

3174
02:09:19,430 --> 02:09:18,480
really really helpful in researching my

3175
02:09:21,030 --> 02:09:19,440
case

3176
02:09:23,189 --> 02:09:21,040
that is because uh

3177
02:09:25,510 --> 02:09:23,199
mike swords was working through qfos

3178
02:09:27,030 --> 02:09:25,520
when he invented uh he investigated it

3179
02:09:29,830 --> 02:09:27,040
yeah i don't like how do you like green

3180
02:09:32,790 --> 02:09:29,840
street do swords that's too bad

3181
02:09:34,709 --> 02:09:32,800
i'm just kidding i'm just kidding

3182
02:09:35,510 --> 02:09:34,719
wow whatever i'm totally kidding all

3183
02:09:37,189 --> 02:09:35,520
right

3184
02:09:38,950 --> 02:09:37,199
i'm that i love the guy you just gotta

3185
02:09:42,390 --> 02:09:38,960
do what's best for you all right

3186
02:09:44,550 --> 02:09:42,400
i agree well we will see you

3187
02:09:45,510 --> 02:09:44,560
on the twitter streams and yeah

3188
02:09:46,709 --> 02:09:45,520
obviously

3189
02:09:48,870 --> 02:09:46,719
we're gonna be

3190
02:09:50,310 --> 02:09:48,880
working on an interesting case together

3191
02:09:52,229 --> 02:09:50,320
for you that's true i can't wait to

3192
02:09:53,669 --> 02:09:52,239
bring that to you i gotta dive down the

3193
02:09:57,109 --> 02:09:53,679
rabbit hole on that one

3194
02:09:58,390 --> 02:09:57,119
yeah so uh we'll get together on that

3195
02:10:00,229 --> 02:09:58,400
otherwise peace thanks so much for

3196
02:10:01,430 --> 02:10:00,239
hanging out i had a great time dude see

3197
02:10:03,430 --> 02:10:01,440
you guys

3198
02:10:05,350 --> 02:10:03,440
peace

3199
02:10:06,709 --> 02:10:05,360
all right eel

3200
02:10:07,589 --> 02:10:06,719
uh

3201
02:10:09,830 --> 02:10:07,599
we

3202
02:10:11,669 --> 02:10:09,840
talked about a lot of different stuff

3203
02:10:14,390 --> 02:10:11,679
and

3204
02:10:15,750 --> 02:10:14,400
i liked how it was just you know it was

3205
02:10:17,189 --> 02:10:15,760
just cool to do

3206
02:10:24,310 --> 02:10:17,199
here's the bulletin by the way that i

3207
02:10:28,709 --> 02:10:25,830
peace

3208
02:10:31,350 --> 02:10:28,719
we'll see you soon i have stumbled upon

3209
02:10:33,430 --> 02:10:31,360
a lot of really interesting things so

3210
02:10:34,629 --> 02:10:33,440
expect to

3211
02:10:36,149 --> 02:10:34,639
see

3212
02:10:39,030 --> 02:10:36,159
nice compact

3213
02:10:41,430 --> 02:10:39,040
really cool pieces

3214
02:10:45,350 --> 02:10:41,440
including

3215
02:10:49,030 --> 02:10:45,360
a piece where heineken blatantly lied

3216
02:10:51,510 --> 02:10:49,040
about the lani zamora case

3217
02:10:53,750 --> 02:10:51,520
and the symbols

3218
02:10:55,350 --> 02:10:53,760
found on it

3219
02:10:57,030 --> 02:10:55,360
and how

3220
02:11:00,310 --> 02:10:57,040
he said

3221
02:11:02,629 --> 02:11:00,320
that no one ever told zamora not to talk

3222
02:11:04,870 --> 02:11:02,639
about those

3223
02:11:06,790 --> 02:11:04,880
and that zamora never said he shouldn't

3224
02:11:08,950 --> 02:11:06,800
talk about those